Thanks for that!Originally Posted by cub builder
I actually vary the term depending on who I'm talking to. The average airplane owner out there isn't flying an Experimental, so to keep from explaining I use the term annual. If I'm talking to another builder or an A&P I use the term "inspection."
Unless they do AD's on nuts and bolts there isn't anything the FAA is going to put one out that applies to my aircraft so I'm not worried about them.
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Well.. on the annual (ahem, "Condition inspection") where the A&P pegged me for a 40-year-old Eisemann AD, he also found an AD note on my ignition switch. So there's lots of little stuff we could get bit with. If you've got steam gauges, you have a whole lot of manufacturer names to keep track of....
Ron Wanttaja
Yes - you're correct. There are theoretically a lot of little things that could have AD's out against them. And you should TRY to know about them, as they COULD be safety issues for you, certainly.
But your A&P who convinced you that you were required to pay attention to them even though they legally didn't apply apparently didn't understand the regulations correctly. MAYBE it was a good idea that you complied with the AD's - I haven't read them and don't know your plane, so don't know whether it was important in YOUR plane with YOUR configuration. If he had told you that you SHOULD comply because he couldn't sign the CI off because the plane wouldn't be "in a condition for safe operation", THAT would have been reasonable.
If an A&P tries to convince me of something that isn't so, I will (if possible) go to a different A&P, if they can't be educated. And I am an A&P :-).
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Hmmm... when did they install steam on aircraft?...steam gauges...That's been an uncomfortable term in my mind, ever since I first heard it. I cringe...
Larry N.
Hmmm... when did they install steam on aircraft?
Ron Wanttaja
Your point is made Ron -- I learned something new today -- thanks for the neat video. Unfortunately, I still cringe with that term...
Larry N.
A lot of aviation terms are rooted in the turn of the 20th Century, which I think is actually pretty cool. Heck, the classic (and still very applicable) Stick and Rudder employs analogies to horseback riding - something the average American was familiar with in the 1940's, but not so much today.
Plus it's a jab at analog instruments by the digital folks, inferring obsolescence. I also take that as a compliment.
Well I'd write more but it's time to wind my pocket watch!
The opinions and statements of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events.
I understand you feel this subject is of no issue. But it is a really big deal to those who look to an A&P to do thier Condition Inspection. It is also a subject the EAA understands needs cleaned up. Homebuilders lack in the area of paper work. This is not me saying this but the EAA. If anyone watched those webinar the EAA posts they hit on this subject.
But from the responses to this post who cares? I believe the FAA cares as does the EAA.
Tony
*20th* Century? Many are older than that. Some of the terms we homebuilders throw about are at least 500 years old. Came from the nautical world, of course.
Some examples:
Spar. To a sailor, a Spar is a long piece of wood which supports the sails. It's easy enough to see how the primary component of the wing might get the same name. Airplane spars are generally rectangular, though, while nautical ones are round.
Ribs are found in the wings of aircraft and forming the hulls of ships. The airplane variety were probably so named because they were curved, like the ship ribs. But in honesty, the plane ribs do look more like the anatomical variety than the nautical ones.
Cap Strips: Much smaller version of the Cap Rails on ships, which are admittedly attached at a different angle.
Bulkheads on ships are generally watertight, but on planes they often have holes large enough to stick your feet through. Literally.
Stringers run between ribs of a ship, but between bulkheads of a fuselage.
Rigging is obvious. But while sailing ships have standing rigging and running rigging, aviation calls the equivalents "wires" (as in "Landing wires" or "Flying wires") and "control cables". Note that good 'ol nautical splicing is an AC 43-13 approved method of forming an aviation cable around a turnbuckle.
Rudder is, again, obvious, but the name has probably confused more pilots than the gosport. Every knows you move the rudder to turn a boat...but that's a preconception one must drive out of one's mind when learning to fly.
Any sailor will know what you're talking about when you use the terms pitch and roll. Fore and Aft, and Port and Starboard all came across to aviation.
In a way, it's a pity that more of the nautical terms didn't get carried over to aviation. I'd rather refer to those little holes in my fabric as scuppers than the more prosaic drain holes. Futtock is a crude-sounding term that describes parts of a rib; one could have a lot of fun at Oshkosh with that one.
Still, one can see danger in that route. We probably wouldn't like it if the FAA substituted Keel Hauling for the term "Remedial training". Though if we could talk them into issuing Grog at noon at local fly-ins....
Ron Wanttaja
I have fun with this. At Fly-Ins, I'm usually cycling kids into and out of the cockpit of my Fly Baby. As I brief them on where to step and how to crawl over the side, I point out that open-cockpit airplanes are always boarded from the left side....then ask them why.
The answer: Because that's the side you get on a horse! Most of the pilots of early aircraft were wealthy folks who probably owned horses as well, and I think the tradition followed.
THEN ask them, why do you always get on a horse from the left side?
The answer: So your sword doesn't get tangled....
Ron Wanttaja
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