Oshkosh 2021?

[bmckinney]

Jeff gave me an answer that made sense. AV apparently may have taken some precautions when a new sickness seemed to be going around.

For the numbers, unfortunately, it's impossible to relate the two. The recording methods were different. For COVID, ANY trace of it (tested or not, and even if you had just maybe been near someone with it - MN) at death was counted as a COVID death. CDC indicates that only 6% of the total (322k as 1/9/2021) were COVID-Only (19,000). The remaining 303,000 had 1 or more comorbidities, with the average being 2.9 other conditions. In 2009, the 15,000 is H1N1-Only. They didn't add any additional counts due to other conditions like they did for COVID. 60 million cases would definitely increase that number significantly.

[DaleB]

For COVID, ANY trace of it (tested or not, and even if you had just maybe been near someone with it - MN) at death was counted as a COVID death. CDC indicates that only 6% of the total (322k as 1/9/2021) were COVID-Only (19,000). The remaining 303,000 had 1 or more comorbidities, with the average being 2.9 other conditions. In 2009, the 15,000 is H1N1-Only. They didn't add any additional counts due to other conditions like they did for COVID. 60 million cases would definitely increase that number significantly.

Got a reference for that? It's interesting, if accurate...

[bmckinney]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

Just above table 3. Comorbidities section. Shows breakdown.

[Airmutt]

You said: CDC indicates that only 6% of the total (322k as 1/9/2021) were COVID-Only (19,000). I went and read your reference and.... it does NOT state that 6% died from COVID only, it states that for the cause of death for 6% listed COVID only. All that means is the comorbidity for those 6% is indeterminable.

[rwanttaja]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

Just above table 3. Comorbidities section. Shows breakdown.

Good data, thanks. Is there an equivalent one for the 2009 H1N1 pandemic? I'd like to get confirmation that comorbidities are NOT included in the 2009 CDC tally of US deaths. Doing searches on "H1N1 comorbidities", they were obviously being considered...

"Results
Of the 272 patients we studied, 25% were admitted to an intensive care unit and 7% died. Forty-five percent of the patients were children under the age of 18 years, and 5% were 65 years of age or older. Seventy-three percent of the patients had at least one underlying medical condition; these conditions included asthma; diabetes; heart, lung, and neurologic diseases; and pregnancy. Of the 249 patients who underwent chest radiography on admission, 100 (40%) had findings consistent with pneumonia."

"Hospitalized Patients with 2009 H1N1 Influenza in the United States, April–June 2009," New England Journal of Medicine, November 2009.

I remember "Swine Flu" in 2009, what I don't remember is massive overflows in emergency rooms, temporary hospitals being set up in sports stadiums, or reefer trucks being deployed to temporarily store the dead.

Ron Wanttaja

[Roger Janssens]

I wonder what (conspiracy) theories people will come up with to explain away the excess death statistics: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

If there's any way the US borders will be open for visitors by the summer I intend to be at AV2021. No problems wearing a face mask all week; I'm happy to leave the posing to others. Plus I'll be near the South 40 to photograph arrivals anyway - even in non-COVID-times I always need to be well away from the (loud)speakers to maintain sanity.

I am wondering what measures will be taken at Camp Scholler, however. I really can't see 60 or so people using the showers or the washbasins at the same time, not when there is a virus like this one around. I suppose I'll have to start looking into renting an RV.

Keep safe,

Roger

[robert l]

I am wondering what measures will be taken at Camp Scholler, however. I really can't see 60 or so people using the showers or the washbasins at the same time
Just don't shower, people will keep their distance !
Bob