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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Greenwood View Post
    In your FArs that you quote, where does it say "hang glider". I think and most pilots likely also that an ultralight is something with an engine, which a hang glider does not have. In the video shown it looks like there is visual contack with the surface. In mist you can often see down through it to the ground if not horizontally just like you might see up toward the sun.

    Ron , you could be the expert witness in his class action suit against all those deviate and dangerous hang glider pilots. And if you really want to gather lots of video evidence come out here this spring, and there will be dozens of paragliders, non powered, and even a few hang gliders over the mountain a half mile from me. I have never seen an ultralight up there, that is not anything with a wing or a chute that also has an engine.

    PS while you are righting such major wrongs you might want to also go over to the hiking trail 1/4 mile away where some deviates are reputed to hike up and not have their dogs dragging a leash. Do you know the damage that could ensue should one of these dogs jump up and bite an airplane in the bottom of a cloud?
    If you do have an actual NTSB accident report of an collision between a hang glider, ( without engine) and an airplane in flight, I would love to see it and would pay $25 for your trouble. Or I will trade you a Big foot sighting report for it.
    Again with the Big Foot reference.. and dogs.. Mr. Greenwood, you should quit while you are just behind. You keep digging deeper and deeper.
    On the Sylmer hang gliding forum, the maker of the cloud flying video in question pens this thread: "Aircraft Proximity Alertness Reminder"
    http://shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtop...2d000491a60767

    Aircraft Proximity Alertness Reminder



    Post by JD » Thu May 14, 2015 5:04 pm
    The following encounter occurred on Tuesday. The Cessna Grand Caravan EX that flew past us was approximately 475' from the first glider and 1000' from the second. I have had helicopters come a lot closer than this but not at Sylmar. In two of three encounters I never even heard or saw the helicopter until I was 1/2 second from the closest point. That is simply not enough time to react in a meaningful way. It is a good idea to occasionally turn your body from side to side in order to look behind you. Don't rely on other pilots to tell you where an approaching aircraft is. There are perspective illusions with moving objects when viewed from a third location.
    FAR 103.13 requires our vigilance but you already knew that, right?

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_h7DCYzu88[/youtube]

    The video has been taken down.
    Note that the Grand Caravan incursion happened in May 2015, and yet this same hang glider pilot 'cloud flew' again in December 2015, in the same area.
    He also posts the cloud flying video on the Sylmer site where he gets 80 some views and one comment on how great it is.
    Hang glider pilots don't know the FARs they fly under. I hope more than Ron gets it here.

    What I want to do with this topic is come up with a plan to correct the ignorance of all that need to know better, make it safer for everybody in the air and on the ground and protect Part 103 pilots from people working their best to unwittingly revoke that privilege.

    This may be a hard task but should be easier than proving Big Foot exists.

    Last edited by JBlack; 01-15-2020 at 07:39 PM.

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