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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Giger View Post
    We... thrive because of our discord.
    How can discord lead to thriving?

    We are great because we're always one election/event/war/treaty from disaster.
    How does proximity to disaster lead to greatness?

    As a nation we learn (slowly), adapt (usually through wild swings that slowly come to a middle), and grow (in fits and starts, unequally, until a new and better balance is achieved), only to repeat the process.
    A better balance of what?

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    There is something to be said for the healthy competition between ideas. I think we may be a little farther down that road than is really healthy, but I suppose we've been there before.
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    Oh, this is going to be fun! Especially the effort to keep this relevant to the forum...

    Yes, everyone is right. All posters have valid points. In no particular order...

    1. Some EAA topic generate lots of interest and participation. These are generally shut down by the moderator, and often for good reason.

    2. Free trade is especially important to aircraft owners, operators, and even builders. (If my wife ever lets me, I intend on building an Italian kit plane. The One week Wonder last year sparked my interest and fueled my fantasy that I really could build something.) At a higher level, it is nice to say "if it ain't Boeing, I ain't going" but for that to work, Boeing needs to be able to be competitive in foreign markets.

    3. Free trade is best at the national economic level. It forces all players to become more competitive. It also increases the economic health of all participants, making them more likely to buy higher priced American products, if such products have a higher level of quality to justify the price (Mercedes vs Chevrolet...Sorry, Boeing vs Tupolev)

    4. Yes, it can really hurt individual businesses and even sectors. No business has a right to success. It can only expect fair competition in that market, and the competition changes. Companies need to adapt. Become better, more efficient, or find new markets and products. Workers need to have other skills than making buggy whips. (Warping wings/hand carved propellers?) Some business will suffer but free trade is best for the economy as a whole.

    5. That said...there are limited circumstances where tariffs are necessary as a temporary measure. One is where for national interests you are trying to discourage use of that product. That doesn't work well. It is just a legitimate justification. The other is where a it is determined that a particular business sector is necessary for national economic development or for national security reasons. (Rocket engines?) A government can impose tariffs as a protectionary measure for the time it takes to get that business sector up and running and then remove them as soon as possible. (Yes, I am aware that it takes a Reagan to actually remove a tax once imposed.) When those conditions apply and when they can be removed is a debate for another day -- and may never be resolved to ANYONE's satisfaction.

    6. It really isn't that complicated at a macro level. But...taking an analogy from war, Clausewitz wrote that war is really very simple, but in war even the simplest thing is very hard. Kind of like aerodynamics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Giger View Post
    Every nation and person who has predicted the decline and fall of the USA has been proven wrong in a spectacular fashion.

    Frank "Canada is too cold" Giger
    Hubris and xenophobia strikes again. If you ignore history you are destined to repeat it.

    Over the course of only the last 3500 years, the Greek Empire fell, the Roman Empire fell, the Egyptian Empire fell, Troy fell to name but a few. These great civilizations eventually declined as quickly as they rose. So too will the USA, it's not a matter of if but when. Perhaps the events of next Wednesday morning may give us some insight into the timeline.

    No need to be concerned with Canada's climate.....they've already built a wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floatsflyer View Post
    No need to be concerned with Canada's climate.....they've already built a wall.
    Hmmmm....it's ice, and 500 feet high? Sounds like we're on the wrong side of it!!!

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