Private Pilot SEL and Amphibians

[martymayes]

Floats flyer,
I go to the FAR's for my information, not sales reps. That doesn't mean I am always right, but I try.

For an E-A/B, the definitive answer is in the aircraft's operating limitations. Most likely, category/class ratings are required.

[WLIU]

That is correct. If you would like some light reading, look up FAA Order 8130.2f. Start at page 161.

Best of luck,

Wes
N78PS

[Anymouse]

Getting back to the 1st hijack, IIRC, if the aircraft has more than one seat you need to be appropriately certificated/rated. If it's a single seat aircraft, then you're good to go, legally speaking. Flying solo with a two (or more) seat aircraft still requires the ticket. This is a loophole that was tightened several years ago.

[WLIU]

Anymouse, can you cite the FAR? I went looking and did not immediately find it.

Thanks,

Wes
N78PS

[Bill Berson]

Getting back to the 1st hijack, IIRC, if the aircraft has more than one seat you need to be appropriately certificated/rated. If it's a single seat aircraft, then you're good to go, legally speaking. Flying solo with a two (or more) seat aircraft still requires the ticket. This is a loophole that was tightened several years ago.

A student pilot can solo a two seat Cessna 150 without any rating, just need an instructors endorsement in the log.
A helicopter instructor once told me that since I have a private SEL, I don't require his endorsement to solo a helicopter.

So where is the rule?

[Anymouse]

A student pilot can solo a two seat Cessna 150 without any rating, just need an instructors endorsement in the log.
A helicopter instructor once told me that since I have a private SEL, I don't require his endorsement to solo a helicopter.

So where is the rule?

Apples and oranges. Student solo endorsements expire eventually.

Go do your own research. You'll probably find it on the EAA website.

[Hal Bryan]

FYI - I pruned this thread this morning, removing some off-topic bickering. Please carry on...

[skier]

I don't think part 61.31 is the correct FAR to reference here. While that does technically allow someone to fly a experimental helicopter (twin, etc) with a only a SEL rating as long as it is allowed on the aircraft's operating limitations. I think this conversation would be better directed looking at how an aircraft is certified. According to the Type Certificate Data Sheet for the Lake LA-4 ( http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...Highlight=lake ) the aircraft is a "Small Airplane". I don't believe (I could be wrong) that there is anything certifying the LA-4 as an Amphibian. Thus if you were to fly it strictly from land you would only need an SEL rating.

Same for a C-182 on amphibious floats. I don't think adding the floats changes anything about how the aircraft is certified, thus if you wanted to fly a really slow, inefficient C-182 with only an SEL, you could add floats to it and only fly it from land.

[martymayes]

I don't believe (I could be wrong) that there is anything certifying the LA-4 as an Amphibian. Thus if you were to fly it strictly from land you would only need an SEL rating.

Well, the TCDS says: 4PCAmM(Normal Category). Deciphered, that means 4 place, Cabin, Amphibian, Monoplane (Normal Category is self explanatory).

I think you are saying if a plane is certified as a seaplane, the pilot would be required to have a seaplane rating, since it would be precluded from land operations, which would be correct.

A C-182 is certified as a 4PCLM, 4 place cabin, land, monoplane but If you added straight floats it would become a 4PCSM and would require a seaplane rating to fly, since it would no longer be possible to operate from land.

[Jim Hann]

Talked to a buddy about this thread. He did fly an amphib when he only had an ASEL rating AND got ramp checked. No problem from those Feds but that was a while ago. He is ASES rated now.

YMMV