That $170M is new money coming in. It's not the barber giving $10 to the baker who gives it to the cook who gives it to the clerk, etc.
That $170M is new money coming in. It's not the barber giving $10 to the baker who gives it to the cook who gives it to the clerk, etc.
I'm not the OP, but I agree with the title of this thread: scooters/bikes should be allowed in more places. It really is the best way to get around AirVenture.
The first time I came to Oshkosh, after walking around the grounds all day, I attended the evening program at Theater in the Woods. Afterwards there were no trams or buses operating, and I had to hike to my campsite in the N40. I learned my lesson and have brought a bike every year since.
I wouldn't say trams are useless, but the one time I tried to use a tram this year, I was at Vintage Northbound, and I waited, and when the tram finally arrived it was full and only two people got off. There was a guy behind me on crutches, so of course I let him and his companion have the empty seats, and I told my companion let's just walk. So, trams are not useless, just mostly useless for me, because whenever I want to ride, someone more decrepit than me shows up, and my conscience won't allow me to take the last seat.
The forums and workshops are mostly scheduled 15 minutes apart. There's no way to get from the forums plaza to the museum or the ultralight forums tent by tram or foot in 15 minutes, but by bike it is possible.
I would like to point out that everyone who is able to ride a bike to his destination frees up a seat on a tram!
Since I've been coming to AirVenture, they've made it harder for cyclists to access and park near the forums and other areas. I'd like to see that trend reversed.
See, you think that if bikes were allowed on the grounds, you could get to forums quicker. In actuality, if bikes were allowed on the grounds, there would be kids riding bikes all over the place like in Scholler.
I haven't stayed in Scholler, but bikes are not a problem in the N40 or around the perimeter of the showgrounds or on the roads to the museum and Pioneer Airport or outside the fence to the restaurants and stores Northwest of the field. I'm not asking for them to be allowed everywhere, just more places.
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One can not appreciate the potential scale of the problem unless looking at Camp Scholler. The roads are constantly choked with UTVs, ATVs, golf carts, scooters, motorcycles, bikes, and EVs. EAA has put up signs banning non licensed drivers from operating motorized vehicles but they are totally behind the curve with regard to electric bikes for example. They move thru the area with complete to disregard to speed, pedestrians and stay out areas.
It is hard enough protecting the planes from kids and unknowing and thoughtless attendees. Adding bikes and the like is just a BAD IDEA.
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Dave Shaw
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Shaking my head reading this. Im going to say my two cents worth and then no more as I'm sure their will be backlash. In large events like this scooters and bikes should only be used by event staff and security(for getting from point A to point B quickly) and the disabled/elderly/mobility impaired. Everyone else should walk. Walking is healthy for you. I am disabled but I walked everywhere there. And even lost a couple pounds doing so. Over and out.
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