Someone made the observation that it looks like it was designed by the Pixar Cars guys.
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"Make no mistake----the event is on." Jack J. Pelton EAA CEO and Chairman of the Board. Is that an "Nuff Said" thing?
I have an appointment for my first Fauci Ouchi on Sunday.
I had my first jab two weeks ago and my second coming up in two weeks. Nothing to it, but I have a couple of friends that told me their second jab made them a little sick the next day and then they were fine. Couple of other friends had no reaction at all to the second shot.
I'll be wearing the hat that reads, I didn't take the vaccine !
Bob
I've heard the biggest side effect of the Covid vaccine is that the recipient has to tell everyone he got the vaccine. :-)
Got my first one yesterday (Pfizer), actually had a bit of reaction to it that same afternoon. Headache, fatigue, etc.
I could thus say, "I'm not looking forward to the second dose," but I'd be lying. Bring it on!
Ron Wanttaja
I at long last found the Golden Ticket. Namely a confirmed appointment for my first dose of Covid vaccine in just a couple weeks. So.... Yay me! - lol I never for a second fretted over 'whether or not' I'd get the vaccine, just 'when the heck' would I finally be able to schedule the appointment. Vaccines work ( no duh ) and as a former embalmer and Army Vietnam Vet I can assure you I've had most of them at one time or another and now at 72 am still alive, reasonably healthy and able to tell the tale. Drugs iz good.
The ones that replaced the jeeps way back were Chevrolet S-10 mini pickup chassis with Grumman aluminum bodies from their factory in Sterling on old US -12 (112). That is still our mail truck here. Personal note-I did the detailing on a Mercedes 190-D that one of the RFD mailmen used for right side of the road deliveries and scratched up the drivers side door. Great acceleration up to about 4 miles and hour and then very leisurely. PPS-I attended a Circuit Court proceeding in Michigan where we grade school kids watched Judge Bach (who later was one of my Bay City Times customers) preside over a case where an insurance company was suing a rural mail man for making a u-turn on a country gravel road and the insured , a salesman, plowed into him on the driver's side, T-bone style.
Thanks, Ron. I'm getting my first Pfizer tomorrow. It sounds like it isn't nearly as bad as my first Shingrix shot (got four weeks ago) which had me nearly unable to walk for a day. My wife laughed about my reaction until it hit her about twelve hours later (my onset and recovery were faster for some reason).
Looking forward to AirVenture 2021. Interested in the new Express Arrival. But a few thoughts come to mind.
1. In regards to Camp Scholler. Will a separate entry gate be used for Express Arrivals, so that they don’t get caught in lines of campers that use standard arrival procedures? This has always been a problem for those that pre-purchase camping. They get stuck in the long line out on the feeder road, due to all lines of the entry gate being full. It would be helpful to have a separate entry gate for Express Arrivals, and efficient way to “redirect” standard arrivals that accidently approach the wrong entry gate, so their error doesn’t cause delays for those with Express Arrival.
2. Will it be possible to request a set of single day entry wrist bands as part of Express Arrival, instead of the single weekly band? The first thing I do, after a hot day “walking the grounds and on the flight line”, and upon return to camp, is cut that *$#@ wrist band off my wrist, so I can enjoy the evening and my sleep without the bothersome band.
3. Perhaps the Camp Scholler Express Arrival gate can utilize hand held scanners, to scan passes that are pre-mounted on the vehicle (inside windshield?) so that vehicles can pass through in a rapid manner, thereby realizing the concept of an Express Arrival.
Just a few thoights for consideration.
You would think it would work that way. Based on my experience with advanced purchased parking permit your suggestion is a too difficult concept for EAA to conceive. In fact I quit buying an advanced parking permit because you just get stuck inline with the cash payers. So buying an advanced permit gets you what?? I’ve noted this in the post event survey with no apparent response.
On the flip side I credit EAA with advanced mailing of the wristbands. Given their fear of wristbands being counterfeited and lost revenues someone made a monumental decision.
I agree with the above . Pre Pay doesn't do any good if you have to wait in the line . Ripple will work just fine . Put up some large signs on the perimeter road telling Pre Pays to use Ripple !
Prepay doesn't mean you have camping credentials does it? The prepay just lets the eaa suck your money early. You still have to trade your receipt in for the actual credentials. The main gate is the same disaster with people who prepurchase. It doesn't end up saving any time.
Express Arrival - Camping check-in:
- Express Arrival camping check-in will allow attendees who pre-purchases their camping to enter Camp Scholler without exiting their car. Simply present your mailed or printed at home voucher at the entry point, and you’ll be on your way!
- A separate entry gate will be utilized for express camping check-in. If utilizing express check-in you will enter Camp Scholler via the Gray Lot entrance, which is located a few hundred feet north of the main Camp Scholler entrance on Poberezny Rd.
- This is only for Camp Scholler arrivals on Thursday July 22 through Sunday July 25.
- Express camping check-in is recommended for people who don't have any questions. If you do or aren't sure how to get to your campsite, it's recommended you follow the signage for "Camp Scholler Regular Check-in".
- Upon arrival, you will have a choice which lane you’d like to use. Simply follow the directional signs.
After 28 years of Oshkosh attendance, we often don't much make it north of the Vintage red barn during the show. The exception is meeting up with POA folk at Jay Honeck's party on Wednesday night. Most of our friends are Vintage folks and we volunteer on the fight line there. We're definitely going this year. Margy and I will both have our second Pfizer shot by the end of the month. The only complication this year is our third grandson is due the week before we would normally travel (we usually arrive Tuesday or Wednesday a week before the show). Our current plans is my wife will go to be with her daughter, and I'll scoop her up from GAI on the way. DC-> OSH as apposed to NC26-OSH avoids some terrain that a friend of mine refers to as "North Korea." (which is about what your life expectancy would be if you went down there).
My sister and I got out first vaccinations in separate ques of 3100 each on successive days at the beginning of March and our window for a second dose opens first for me on February 28 and is urgent after 44 days from the first when I can simply walk in if not called before.
My situation with respect to attending Oshkosh in person this year is not having a routine way to arrive and secure lodging. I have not owned or driven an automobile or held a driver's license since 1987. To get to the Harley-Davidson museum after I retired I took Amtrak from Birmingham, Michigan and stayed in the Iron Horse Hotel nearby in Milwaukee where I could walk over every day. To get to the "Tail Hook" celebration in Reno, I flew commercial Air connecting at Phoenix from Detroit and stayed at the conference hotel using the courtesy shuttle both ways.
Now I am in Austin, Texas. I need to have enough funds to charter a jet! Then where would I stay? I don't think my sister is willing to do a whole week, which I would prefer. Taking AMTRAK staying in Chicago and taking the hourly train to Milwaukee and back each day leaves me needing to rent a bicycle to get to Oshkosh and the grounds and everyone would think it was public and take off with it whenever I left it unattended.
Skydiving in? I envy the campers; camped under the wings of their aircraft. I mostly talked to Boeing last year online and viewed the podcasts so this year I would like to do much better. If I can't really be there I could at least make a donation to the foundation equal to what it would have cost me as I did the first year with Tail hook Education Foundation.
In 2003 I was able to see the A/RIA I had done the mission analysis for outside at the Dayton Air Museum but not go to the AIAA 100 years of Flight Conference. I have a blow up of myself beside the "Bird of Prey" NC-135 my sister took and my grandson now has one also to move beyond Camaro's based on the Transformer's Bumblebee.
My parents got me to Warner-Robbins and the 1st production F-15 "Eagle" to update my FX-proposal data and simulation as well as seeing how downgraded in presentation the Korean War exhibits have become.
I'm not used to landing on grass. This video https://www.avgeekery.com/watch-when...u-lai-in-1965/ shows the SATS that with the P-408 version of the J-52 turbojet allowed to remain in inventory as the A-7E with the TF-41 turbofan and ILAAS weapon delivery system needed me to do one more thing.
I had to show the payload moved from this metal runway and it's effectiveness provided by a new avionics system, replacing the LABS in an A-4M exceeded that for the newer A-7. The engineer from North American Aircraft's Autonetics Division dropped out after gathering the data and assembling concepts for competing Options. Later the requirement for this system was mutually combined with that for the AV-8A "Harrier" Angle Rate Bombing System or ARBS. Yes, I worked on that other system which also needed to land on grass and got fiberglass pads.
My situation with respect to attending Oshkosh in person this year is not having a routine way to arrive and secure lodging. I have not owned or driven an automobile or held a driver's license since 1987. To get to the Harley-Davidson museum after I retired I took Amtrak from Birmingham, Michigan and stayed in the Iron Horse Hotel nearby in Milwaukee where I could walk over every day. To get to the "Tail Hook" celebration in Reno, I flew commercial Air connecting at Phoenix from Detroit and stayed at the conference hotel using the courtesy shuttle both ways.
Now I am in Austin, Texas. I need to have enough funds to charter a jet! Then where would I stay?
Well, you could get your drivers license, fly to a town/city and rent a car, van or camper, (although, it may be hard to find anything as AirVenture nears) and drive the rest of the way. And, if you did rent a car/van, you could bring camping gear and set up in Camp Scholler. It's roughly 1268 mi. from Austin to Oshkosh, 20 hrs driving, it could be done in 2 days, or, switching off with another driver, you could make it in one and two thirds days. I have driven the 976 mi. from S.C. to Oshkosh twice, first time we stopped south of Chicago and had about a 3 & 1/2 hr. drive the next day. the second time, when I arrived at the place where we had stopped on the first trip, it was only 5:30 pm so we decided to go past Chicago and stop for the night. BIG MISTAKE !!! Couldn't find a motel room anywhere, so we continued driving and arrived at A/V at 9:30 pm. with a pop up camper. A little over 19 hrs. on the road, it's raining, dark, and about 300 yards from check in, we are stuck in the mud. They said they would help us out the next morning, which they did, but we had to sleep in the truck after all that driving and the back seat was fill and we couldn't let the seats go back. A kinda fun memory now, but that first night there really sucked. But I ain't skered, I'm a goin' back this year and I hopes to be flyin' in!
Bob
"Now I am in Austin, Texas. I need to have enough funds to charter a jet! Then where would I stay? I don't think my sister is willing to do a whole week, which I would prefer. Taking AMTRAK staying in Chicago and taking the hourly train to Milwaukee and back each day leaves me needing to rent a bicycle to get to Oshkosh and the grounds and everyone would think it was public and take off with it whenever I left it unattended."
Oshkosh is about 88 miles north of Milwaukee. Might be a one daily bus.
No easy way to get to Airventure. Not much help on EAA website.
I looked for something on the arresting gear that went with SATS and also used the term landing in a search and got the whole story on Chu Lai which is almost all at the Westmoreland level and General Carl with McNamara. and it's in May 1965 when I just graduated from University of Michigan and headed West in my Chevrolet powered 1948 Ford to land on all the cool engineering company's lobbys and get immediate or delayed interviews based on the Student Affairs listing of research organizations by state and region.
So I understand driving night and day and sleeping a few winks with seat backs that were blocked by stuff on the floor and back seat. I did remove the cotter pin on the passenger seat so I could go Nash Rambler full recline with it with stuff on the floor for a foot rest. There is a full history of Chu Lai made by Ohio State but my uncle was a history professor at Ohio Wesleyan and my USMC uncle is where I landed in Canoga Park, California with tail lights blinking on the freeway from hot mufflers after the rerouting when the second y header and outside drag pipe was fabricated like on a Continental Mark II. U.S. Marines in Vietnam: The Landing and the Buildup, 1965 | eHISTORY (osu.edu)
Ties into Andersonville and the POW museum there in Georgia and not so much to Marion, New York and the Confederate POW facility there during the Civil War-- jump to some golden tablets discovered nearby and then to a Honda 600 and a detective in a light blue suit and a neighbor just converted to Latter Day Saints. The Advanced Design (Advance Design after 1973) Chief engineer said, "Here is the contact for the new head of Survivability of the NAVY. He was a prisoner of war so nobody but you wants to meet him." I found him in the ASW building in Arlington next to the Housing and Urban Development Headquarters where busses had broken up the beautiful slate circular driveway. Later in 1983 when I said to my new friends, outdoors,"I can't hide it! and later in a room, "notice how the land falls away in 4 directions from where I am standing." So much for a career in STEALTH. My path led through the CRUISE.
Perhaps I can build on this Expedia listing AUS to OSH flights (expedia.com) or try Orbitz which I used to get to Heathrow. The date is dummy. Still a ways to go. My taxi experience is pre Uber.
Try calling Lamars and see if they will be running shuttles from MKE to OSH during the show.
there are commercial flights to Appleton (ATW). You would have to change planes somewhere between AUS and ATW. There are shuttles between ATW and OSH AirVenture. You could also make a reservation for lodging at university of WI, OSH. Ther are daily bus runs from campus to airventure.
Lodging is where I am and these nearer places look better than what I was at yesterday at Green Bay and a bus. For taking the bus once, maybe, including getting back at night-- but I am not as "in" at EAA as I am with jets. I think I need the weekly ticket which I have printed out to hold the dates (7/26-8/1). Right now my delay is to my second vaccination and surety I don't get quarantined. That window opens on the 28th of March. Your information is much appreciated. I looked at Fond Du Lac but did not see the air connection there. The EAA was mentioned there.
The nearest service to OSH by the majors is Appleton (ATW). It’s only 20 minutes or so north of Oshkosh. You can get into ATW via Minneapolis, Detroit and Chicago and others. There is bus service out of MKE north but no express service. Limo service is pricey. Rental cars are worth their weight in gold during AV. If you’re planning on attending book your reservations early. Welcome to Oshkosh!!!
There are cabins for rent near by but you would need transportation to A/V. The exception would be Sleepy Hollow Farms Campground, it's adjacent to Camp Scholler and, at least a few years ago, would take you to the EAA gate in a golf cart. They have nice showers and toilets.
Bob
I've been studying up on the new tram routes and terminals based on that 2019 (IMHO 50% Donkey) "Transportation Study" by Northwestern. Just my no-cost to anyone two-cents worth of opinions (LOL) - Blue is likely to take forever to run and leave many unhappy folks along the way watching nothing but our full trams go by, Yellow is way too short and the new 'part-time' Purple route is just going to cause confusion at that terminal. Losing Green will come as a major shock/grievance to attendees as well.
But hey - I ain't no Northwestern graduate ner nuthin' - I'm just one of the many poor schlubbs that will have to implement these changes and interact with our AirVenture visitors.
I feel for ya Randy !
Bob
Here are a couple of options that I have tried, or was planning to use for Osh 2020. I hope that you find something useful. My accommodation was always the University of Wisconsin (Oshkosh) dorms (excellent).
1. I have previously flown with airlines from LAX to Appleton (ATW), via Chicago (ORD) when coming from Australia. Or, I have flown from LaGuardia to ATW via ORD when I happened to be in NYC. A change of plane is required at ORD. From ATW, you can take a taxi to the university or, if your flight arrives at the appropriate time, get on one of the bus shuttles to the university.
2. Fly by airline from your home town to ORD. From ORD there's a bus service that can get you to Milwaukee Intermodal Station (MIS). From the MIS you can take the Lamers to the university.
https://www.coachusa.com/airport-transportation/airport-express
https://www.golamers.com/lamers-conn...n-daily-route/
During Oshkosh, travel between the university and Wittman airport is easy by taking the high frequency bus shuttle. Easy. Hope you make it there and have a great time!
Hey Randy, any word if they are going to run the trams and buses at limited capacity or put more units into play?
Twice I've flown into ATW commercially during the show. The first time I had a business trip immediately preceding it. Margy and our son flew the Navion out. I brought a small tent with me as I didn't know if I'd beat them there. I walked off the plane onto the shuttle bus which was just ready to depart. ATW is so small that it probably didn't take me more then ten minutes. from the time the airliner landed until we were on the way.
The next time, I had to work during the show (elsewhere), so I got someone to give me a ride to ATW and flew back a week later. This time I chatted up another attendee who was sitting next to me on the plane and offered to navigate for him if he'd give me a ride in the rental car he had booked.
I've made runs to ATW, GRB, and MKE to pick up friends who were arriving commercially. I'd personally prefer them in about that order.
Have not yet received any info from the Tram Boss. They're fantastic folks and no doubt working hard behind the scenes to get things squared away. I can't imaging running the units at less than 'full' capacity is practical? So that throws "social distancing" right out the window.
I am glad I've begun the Covid vaccination protocol. Had my 1st Pfizer shot this past Wednesday, with #2 in 3 weeks so at least I'll be Airventure ready well in advance on that front. Now I just gotta verify that the mom-n-pop motel I use is still in business.
Randy, I been chatting with Sandy on Face Book. no real news yet from her. With all the input she has gotten from us, I should think EAA would listen to real time input from us and not from some kids who didn t really do their job and sold EAA a bill of worthless information. IMHO
Skyfixer - your obvious mistake is thinking that common sense and logic apply to the situation - LOL It has long been claimed that the elephant is really just a race horse designed by a committee of consultants.