Leave the pickup at home and ride the motorcycle......................oh wait............ it's a Harley...never mind.:D I've ridden my Goldwing from Oklahoma City to OSH a couple of times.
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Goldwing? Do I smell rice? Nevermind. And, Buy the way, I don't trailer to Sturgis. I trailer my beautiful 2003 Roadking Classic from Melbourne, FL to the eastern border of Minnesota, where I leave my beautiful Harley Davidson Roadking Classic along with my wife at her sisters wherby I then drive om truck to Oshkosh for AirVenture (and yes, I have rode my Harley Davidson Roadking Classic, made in Wisconsin, by Americans, in the past, after I sold my Cessna. After AirVenture I return to Minnsota and Ride out to Spearfish on my Harley Davidson Roadking Classic. Some years I even ride further to Cheyenne, WY. My return ride is often, including this year to Fargo, ND to visit my grandson. Not bad for a 74 year old nordic American, huh? Riding from Melbourne, FL to Minnesota is not a great ride. I know cuz I have been there and done that. BTW: My first Harley was a 1954 Harley Hummer when I lived in Oklahoma (your part of the country) Ft. Sill, OK, just a nice short ride from Whichita Falls, TX. Hope you get to AirVenture safely this year. For me now it is a gamble.
Maybe it's a little too early to ask but just wondering if EAA has made a decision on whether selected Chapters will be putting on the Pancake Breakfast fund raisers at the Chapters Pavillion during AV2021?
.....and will EAA be providing meals at the volunteer kitchen prior to opening day for those who are working early?
.....and will Operation Thirst be delivering drinks and sandwiches around the grounds?
As for masks and vaccinations.....none for me, thank you. If you feel at risk or afraid you'll catch the dreaded Covid you might want to sit this one out.
The particle size of the Covid virus is so small that the typical mask is entirely ineffective. It can stay airborne for up to 16 hours in a draftless surrounding so your 6 foot social distancing is a joke. It is recommended you not wear the same mask for longer than 2 hours. After that it becomes a petri dish for bacteria. It also cuts down your available oxygen level and increases your carbon dioxide levels. Does your mask ever feel "wet" after wearing it a short while? Yea, and that is akin to rubbing spit all over your mouth and nose. I could go on and on but hopefully you're starting to get the picture.
Most vaccines are brought to the market after years, I repeat years of clinical trials. If you're one of the early one innoculated with the available vaccines congratulations, you just voluntairily became part of the test group and if you do have a vaccine injury you are on your own. Big Brother has given their partners in crime, Big Pharma immunity from liability. Would you buy and fly a airplane from a manufacturer if that manufacturer couldn't be held liable for fault on their part?
We're being controlled with fear and kept in the dark with mis-information and outright lies and manipulated numbers.
Some will disagree with me, other may think I'm a fringe, wacko, conspiracy therorist and I'm OK with that. Just try to be as informed as you possibly can rather than swollowing the narrative being fed to us day and night on the boob tube.
In the February chapter information video, Charlie says they’re accepting applications from chapters to host the pancake breakfasts.
IDK about the other questions.
I will have been vaccinated buy AirVenture 2021, so I will have some protection from the Covid-19. I have been getting vaccinations all my life. I'll just do it again. Masks? I don't want no stinking masks. I don't need no stinking masks. However, if that's what it takes to go to AirVenture 2021, that's what I will do.
Ron
Im a retired dentist--wore a mask and gloves for the last 35 years I worked
I Think Rush is a liberal.
I got vaccinated. My gut feelings,Science and My MD friends said smart thing to do
Had a 50 year old friend that felt like you did-- Died of covid--We had his funeral last week.
Can give you his widows number so you can call her and convince her that her husbands beliefs were correct
will be in Oshkosh in may for work week
then two weeks during airadventure
I'll be the one wearing a mask
One of the saddest things about this pandemic is how mask-wearing has become politicized.
Kind of reminds me of the '70s, when the US mandated putting seat belts in cars. You had people buying new cars, and cutting the seat belts out in protest. They'd leave the buckle end in the receptacle to keep the warning chime from going off.
Ron "Stupidity kills...but not fast enough to really matter" Wanttaja
Ron, I forgot about that. I knew some people that did that. They weren't all in the "hold my beer and watch this" crowd. Some of those seatbelts were somewhat less than mechanically reliable. The retraction mechanism would jam and some were notorious for not releasing, especially after an impact. But the technology quickly improved. Personally, I drove a 1973 VW. I always wore my seatbelt and made sure my passengers had theirs on -- but with no illusion that it would be of any significant benefit in a front end collision. What a great car! (Kind of like a Cherokee of the same vintage.)
Is wearing a mask going to keep me from getting the virus? I don't know, maybe yes, maybe no. Like most things, it depends. But I wear it where it is required to make other people comfortable. Like seatbelts, it is only a minor inconvenience. It does make talking over the intercom using the headset difficult.
I had a '64 VW at first, then a '74. Still think of them as great little cars. Eventually I "worked up" to a 1974 "Thing." Now THAT was a POS. But when I listed it for sale, I had folks lining up...
When it gets below about 45 degrees, I wear a ski mask in my Fly Baby. It definitely does make communication more difficult. In some cases, though, I think it's just my face getting stiff from the cold.
The wife and I went out for V-day last night. It struck me how commonplace and routine mask-wearing had become in my part of the country. Wear it into the restaurant, take it off when the drinks arrive, put it back on to leave. Everybody was doing it as second nature.
I'll certainly be happy when it's no longer needed, but it's just a minor irritant, now.
Ron "Luke, I am your father" Wanttaja
Well the website page for weekend work parties does say they will be providing meals but encourages volunteers to camp. Watched the chapter video, sounds like EAA is betting on widespread vaccination by the time AV rolls around.
I was more excited to hear about the land acquisition and movement of the UL runway by 2023. That’s been kicking around for a couple of years, guess it finally came to fruition.
Kevin, and how often did you change out your mask? Did you wear it more than two hours at a time? Did you experience headaches after prolonged wearing?
Was your 50 year old friend the picture of health or did he have other medical issues contributing to a compromised immune system? Was he treated with Hydroxychloriquine and Zinc or perhaps Ivermectin? 70% of people who contract Covid -19 say they always or almost always wore a mask, so what's your point? I never inferred vaccines didn't work. It's that the current vaccines have absolutely no track record of long term side effects and I'm not risking my health just to be someone's lab rat. Oh, one other question. Do any of your medical doctor friends get any kind of monetary incentive from the pharmacutical companies for the vaccines they administer?
Oshkosh 2021 checklist:
1. Chapter cap
2. Raincoat
3. Sunscreen
4. Tinfoil hat.....
Ron Wanttaja
Is your tin foil hat conical or pyramid shaped:eek: Cuz it does make a difference. Just sayin.
And for Kevin, there are no scheduled work weekends in May or did I miss something??
none scheduled yet
but was told they would find something for my crew to do
we are planning on staying a full week
were also told they would take our temp before we could enter the grounds
we will be staying at the hilton
My 50 year old friend had no other health issues--got sick--looked like he was recovering from a mild case--then went off the cliff a week later and died
know of several other people that are pilots that caught and recovered---but 6 months later are having trouble keeping their blood/oxygen level up
As of a month ago--there were no documented cases of a Dentist giving a patient Covid Or catching Covid from a patient
You will never convince a Dentist that masks don't help
1. Camp ground reservation confirmed -- Check!
2. Rental RV Trailer reservation confirmed -- Check!
Now just waiting to see what happens with the event itself and any potential travel restrictions like mandatory proof of vaccination. For the moment I'm not planning to get the shot(s), but I don't get the Flu shot either and haven't since I retired from Active Duty in 2008. And no I'm not anti-vaccine, having been on the receiving end of many shots most of you never have, like the whole 6-shot series for Anthrax. I do wear a mask when requested or where it's mandatory. The bottom line is otherwise healthy people die every day from all kinds of otherwise mundane things, like the Flu--there's no guarantees in life. When your numbers up, its up IMO. Look I choose to live dangerously - I fly, ride motorcycle's, drink, and attend mass gatherings without a mask and that's all on me. To each his own--everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves and make the decision that's best for them. Hope to see you all there!
I think the possibility is essentially zero that EAA will require attendees to have proof of vaccination.
I think the possibility that EAA will require volunteers to have proof of vaccination is non-zero, but still highly unlikely. EAA needs the volunteers, and won't want to alienate some of them.
I think it's a higher chance that EAA will require vendors and their employees to be vaccinated. Depends on the availability of the vaccine.
Ron Wanttaja
Doubt that anyone will be required to have been vaxed. It’s not something they can control o enforce. Availability and eligibility varies widely. My county got crushed by the demand and that was for individuals 65 and up. Folks are now driving for 1-2 hours to lesser populated counties.
I worry about certain areas
Registration in the north 40 is almost all Canadians
if their country requires a two week quarantine when they return---most of those people will not show up
Right, Kevin. There is some evidence that masks stifle the spread. Whatever it takes is what I will do. I don't want to miss another AirVenture, so if I have to wear the damn mask, that is what I will do. I have little doubt that in time masks will be history. Nobody really wants to wear them and i don't really believe that masks are a way of controling people. When it becomes completely obvious that they are no long useful in anyway people will quit wearing them. Anyway, I too, will be wearing a mask at AirVenture 2021. You will recognize me as the one with the Initials "FB" on the mask.
I'm a plumber and electrician. I sometimes wear a mask when I do service calls.......to curb the stench in some of the nasty houses I have go in to. Otherwise, I don't wear them.
I’m guessing attendance will be around 85% of previous years. International visitors will be down even more. SNF might be a good yardstick. Will have to wait and see. Personally I don’t think the current vaccine distribution rate is going to be sufficient to change public (those 50 and older) opinion from shunning large public gatherings.
I've had N95's on in public since I got home from Australia last March. It was pretty clear once you got around the political bull that the virus was transmitted by aerosolized droplets and the N95 was going to be pretty effective against that. I was fortunate that I'm sensitive to wood dust so I happened to have a couple of boxes of masks in my workshop. Margy had also bought some because we feared Australia would still be on fire when we go there (turned out it poured down rain while we were en route pretty much cleaning that up).
Even notwithstanding the mortality, my sense of smell is pretty darned important to me (I'm a wine judge and have a substantial amount invested in that), so I'm not risking things.
I've been saying for quite some time that I don't expect there to be an Airventure 2021. There are too many pre-req's that might be met if all the stars line up, but Vegas thrives on such sucker bets. Moreover, there is absolutely no reason to believe that the percentage of attendees who follow CoViD-19 protocols will be any greater than the population at large. Some will be inoculated but there is no data on whether that affects virus-shedding. Two weeks camping and volunteering is hard enough on the body.
The epidemiologists who are closest to the matter are saying that it will next fall before we might see a lower DefCon level. Even then, the risk of exposure won't be back to "normal" (zero) for a quickly-mutating deadly virus.
Alison and I decided several weeks ago that we would not attend, and notified our volunteer management. I have already received my "AV2021" t-shirt, so my collection is intact.
When Jack has to make the call, I hope he pulls the plug. We don't want to be responsible for an "Aviation Sturgis" super-spreader event.
You might be right, but I hope you are wrong. Today I received notice from the University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh, Housing for Airventure, where I now stay (camped North 40 for more than 25 years). They informed me that they are planning on AirVenture 2021 and what to do should I decide not to attend this year regarding refunds or extending it for 2022. In otherwords they believe that there will be an EAA AirVenture 2021. I am certain that they are in communication with EAA. Anything can happen, but I am planning on being there. Yes, I will be vaccinated (I have my first vaccination now and waiting for the 2nd) and I will bring my cattle prod, just for good measure.
With a recovery rate for Covid between 97% and 99.75% and the Pfizer Covid vaccine is 52% effective, I'll take my changes, no vaccine for me or my wife. We both had Covid in January and came through it pretty well, I'm 74 and she is 59. We live in a rural area and most people don't wear mask, even in big box stores and no one seems to mind. I don't believe it was ever as bad as it was made out to be but that's just my opinion. I may croke tomorrow, but if A/V is on, and I'm still kickin', I'm going. I may bring a mask with me, just in case, maybe.
Bob
I just took advantage of the option of having my wristband mailed to me. That’s a first and a proactive step to reduce he congestion around the main gate area.
All the stores around here have the obligatory mask required signage but it’s not enforced. Saw the same thing while up in Wisconsin last summer. I guess businesses meet the letter of the “law” to be open but in reality don’t want to alienate customs either. We can discuss he efficacy of masks until the cows come home, but the real question is EAA really going to enforce wearing them? Georgia jumped out pretty early and passed a law that protected businesses from COVID lawsuits. Not sure if Wisconsin has the same in effect. EAA is a pretty risk adverse organization. If planning on attending I would expect to be required to be masked (at least in certain areas) as a condition of attendance.
From the CDC website:
You may be thinking of Johnson & Johnson; theirs is a single-dose vaccine and is less effective, but still not that bad.Quote:
The body of evidence for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine was primarily informed by one large, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled Phase II/III clinical trial that enrolled >43,000 participants (median age = 52 years, range = 16–91 years). Interim findings from this clinical trial, using data from participants with a median of 2 months of follow-up, indicate that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine was 95.0% effective (95% confidence interval = 90.3%–97.6%) in preventing symptomatic laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 in persons without evidence of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection. Consistent high efficacy (≥92%) was observed across age, sex, race, and ethnicity categories and among persons with underlying medical conditions. Efficacy was similarly high in a secondary analysis including participants both with or without evidence of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection.
I guess another difference at this year’s event will be the line of military vehicles parked across the field will be replaced with a line of Oshkosh mail trucks.
https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/usps-u...g-mail-trucks/
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Apparently appearance wasn't one of the criteria in the Postal Service's RFQ. I think the Pontiac Aztek and Fiat Multipla just lost lost their shared crown as the ugliest vehicles ever made.
I actually like it. It's a high box, so most carriers will be able to stand up inside. That makes it easier to work in as well as load. The huge windshield and the high seating position gives the driver great visibility forward for maneuvering in tight areas. Also, note that the *side* window are large as well, again giving the driver good visibility on the right side, especially important for a right-hand-drive vehicle in the US. More capacity to handle the increased volumes of e-business.
Most of the delivery trucks that show up at my house are foreign-made... Nissans, Mercedes, etc. According to another news story, there were just three companies left in the competition. A Turkish company partnered with an American one, one small company partnered with another small one, and Oshkosh. Given Oshkosh's history of supplying vehicles to the US military, it had a better shot at winning.
Interesting article from about eighteen months ago:
https://www.trucks.com/2019/10/21/po...l-trucks-burn/
Ron Wanttaja
I would hate to be the one cleaning the windshield !
Bob
Thanks for the chuckle - I take it the NY Post doesn't hire any copy editors with English language skills?
"The new design consists of a waste-high front hood" - I reckon it all depends on how high that waste is? - LOL
Well I guess new but ugly beats the tired old pieces of junk that rattle around the the Atlanta area. I’m thinking one might get a bit warm in the cab with the sun beating thru all that glass.
I guess this one is not risking anything either coming in from the South Pacific and the Far East!
https://cdn.planespotters.net/31759/...11e6326e_o.jpg
does anyone know if the EAA chapter will have their consignment tent in the flymart this year?
have two years worth of stuff to put in there this year