In an EAA press release, they talked about adding 117 new improved camp sites (electric/water) to the grounds. Anybody know in which direction they're propagating? The map on the AV site is still from 2017.
Thanks!
Chris
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In an EAA press release, they talked about adding 117 new improved camp sites (electric/water) to the grounds. Anybody know in which direction they're propagating? The map on the AV site is still from 2017.
Thanks!
Chris
I received an answer from EAA. While this is the 2017 map, the area outlined in red includes the new improved camping sites. They'll be updating the map for 2018 soon.
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UGH....they done took my tent spot.......Iritates me a good bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris In Marshfield
Hey Chris,
To further elaborate on that map -- not all of the area within the red boundaries will be electric, but there are more sites added. Here's a screenshot of the current in-progress 2018 map.
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Well Lookie there.....I done spoke too soon :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Oleson
Hopefully my spot is still open on the Friday before......
Thanks for clarifying. I realize that there's a growing demand for "glamping" :)
I hope that the rates for those sites are helping you quickly recover the costs of installing them. Still a bargain, in my eyes!
When I first started camping at Scholler, my crew and I used to camp down by 20th St. Each year the improved camping area has expanded, and we moved with the expansion. For the past several years we've tried to stay far enough away that we weren't affected by Manifest Destiny. So far, so good!
In Camp Scholler they added a new well to provide additional water for shower buildings and campers, a new road to provide accessibility and 117 new electric sites. Here's the 2018 Camp Scholler map. https://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/ai...ler-map-v3.pdf. Does anyone know what's the street name for the new road?
I have no idea where the new road is. But as I see it, the tent camping area north of Camper Registration / Schuhart Ln has been offered up to the Gray Lot. Meaning all the people that used to stay there will now also have to find a spot in the ever-smaller areas reserved for regular tent camping. Meaning the trek to the showers/toilets off Elm/Stits will become longer and longer, while the area right next to them is taken by generator people, who typically bring their own showers/toilets (and bikes and mopeds etc). If I had a say, I'd put all the generator people in the area south of Cedar, but I'm only a regular tent guy (can hardly bring an 18-wheel road palace from across the Atlantic).
Let's hope the XP-82 shows itself off perfectly this year. Then I only need the C-97 flying and I can lay off finding a tiny tent spot among all the 300 ft by 150 ft estates every year.
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Originally Posted by Roger Janssens
I did have this same thought.......but then us tent guys don't supply as many pieces of green paper per night as the trailer palace guys do.
I'll be bringing my vintage pop up camper and maybe a generator, so, does that mean I can stay in the grey areas of the map ? Not the 24 hr. generator areas but the 8 am to 9 pm areas.
Bob
> But as I see it, the tent camping area north of Camper Registration / Schuhart Ln has been offered up to the Gray Lot
well, dang-it!!!! That's a loss of 100 or more camping spots if not more. Last year parts of it were no generator bliss. That area is convenient to lots of things, especially to the north.
now the only non generator area is much further south and farther from everything.
grumble. Grumble, grumble. I guess I'm turning into a grumpy old man, but I’m bummed. Especially as camping last year was so overloaded.
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Originally Posted by robert l
Actually you can camp anywhere you want to camp unless it is roped off/already taken. The only spot you can't camp in is Audrey's Park. Generators may be used for electricity, but no engine-driven generators will be operated between the hours of 6:30 a.m. - 10:30 p.m. (except in designated 24-hour use areas). All camping units in 24-hour auxiliary power area must be positioned perpendicular to fire lanes. Fire lanes are marked as burn lines in the grass or with signage. No tents are allowed in the 24-hour auxiliary power area.
One negative about the camping in an electric & water site is that campers must pay from the day they secure the site through the end of the show.
Cost: Camping (basic site): $27 per day (3 night minimum), Camping (electric & water): $65 per day
Ermm, that's not what the guidelines say. In fact they say exactly the opposite (https://www.eaa.org/en/airventure/pl...ler/guidelines, under 'Generators'):Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyinAdamBadger
'- Generators may be used for electricity, but no engine-driven generators will be operated between the hours of 10:30 p.m. and 6:30 a.m. (except in designated 24-hour use areas).'
People who try to sleep at night actually appreciate those guidelines! :-)
That rule applies to all camp sites, not just the “improved” ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyinAdamBadger
There is no refund for the electric/water sites if you leave early. For the others you may get a refund as long as you meet the 3 day minimum. In each case they charge you from the day you register and get credentials through the end of the show.
Well I've got my camping pass for 8 days in Camp Scholler and my weekly admission pass. I would never disturbe anybody's sleep. I have sleep problems myself so I understand completely. 23 days and counting until we depart for Oshkosh from South Carolina.
Bob
Safe travels! See you there!Quote:
Originally Posted by robert l
When will the website go "live" to choose an improved campsite??
Just went "live".
why does the ticket site want to charge you $1,950 for a electric/ water site> that is crazy wrong what am I missing and it looks like there are a ton of available electric, water site left
You are charged from the day you reserve the site until the end of the event for the electric/water sites.
Seeing the rates for camping sites and the dorms makes me appreciate my budget motel room. It's an hour away, but it has all the amenities indoors.
We don’t camp to save money. Although we now camp in HBC with our plane, when we used to drive in and were in Scholler it was all about the experience, just as it today for us in HBC. For us that experience is what makes Osh worth coming to year after year. YMMV.....Quote:
Originally Posted by CHICAGORANDY
And THAT my friend is why that ice cream joint sells all those flavors. lol I envy campers' and dormers' proximity to the event, this however was the first time I actually checked out the rates and was a bit surprised they are not lower. But hey, nobody ever said AirVenture was cheap. - lol
Cause you pay from today through the end of the week of Oshkosh. That's the way they work. That's why so many sites are still available.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangebird
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That's what I thought too for my first trip to Osh. Then realized the hour each way meant no running back and forth to take a break or come back at night for show/presentation. Camping is trading the pool and a/c for being able to see the whole show you drove 1000 miles for.Quote:
Originally Posted by CHICAGORANDY
I can't agree with EAA's push to make tenters even more miserable by sticking them further out so they can collect even more money from the rich. Put the motorhomes and 50 foot fifth-wheels out by the road where it's no big deal for them to ride their Harleys and golf carts to the gate.
I've been camping in Camp Scholler for the past 18 years, first with my little pop up camper and then with my fully enclosed trailer. We have friends that come and go during the week with their tents. We have always abided by the generator rules regarding quiet time and enjoyed the evenings with our friends and OSH families. We liked the area between Cottonwood and Cedar since it was convenient to the showers and shopping at the camp store. Last year we had to move to south of Cedar to make room for the RV tours that came in with their 24 hour generator on wheels and the noise that created which pushed us even further from the showers. This year we are forced to move even further south away from the showers and shopping. Why can't they move the 24 hour generator south of Cedar and return the non 24 hour camping back closer to the showersQuote:
Originally Posted by mc20
That's my rant
Money. EAA is all about catering to the rich. Anybody that can't see that has their nostalgic blinders on. Throw the people that can't afford land yachts and Bonanzas a bone by putting them closer to the gates and showers? No way! Ain't no money in that! A reservation or lottery system for improved sites instead of the reverse auction that favors people with the most disposable income? That's crazy talk, aka leaving cash on the table. Why worry about the peons when one dude in a Prevost staying for a couple of days more than makes up for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianb52
Sure makes you feel like part of the EAA community when you're schlepping by all the privileged people parked by the gates on your way to volunteer, doesn't it?
Oshkosh has been EAA's cash cow for years. The movie quote "No bucks, no Buck Rogers" comes to mind. My big disappointment was when they opened the flightline to non-aviators in order to pull a few more locals through the turnstiles.Quote:
Originally Posted by turtle
Still, it is a great event and I'll be there. Again and again, and again.
"That's what I thought too for my first trip to Osh. Then realized the hour each way meant no running back and forth to take a break or come back at night for show/presentation. Camping is trading the pool and a/c for being able to see the whole show you drove 1000 miles for."
As a long time tram volunteer I'm either working 8-2 or 2-8 or both on days when I double shift. At AirVenture I mostly just work or wander the grounds for a few hours off-shift. Sadly, no pool at my 1950's era stabbin' cabin motel - lol - I'm not even a pilot but I've enjoyed a life-long passion for airplanes and flight and wouldn't trade the experience or personal expense of working Oshkosh for the world.
I totally see us transitioning to glamping in an RV or 5th wheel at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by CHICAGORANDY
My beef is traveling for 2 days to spend a relaxing time enjoying Airventure and spending time catching up with friends seen once a year at the camp site, only to be greeted by campers running their LOUD stand alone generator's from 6am -10:30pm even when they are not there. They set them up so they have piece and quiet in the front of their campers and place them in the back directing the noise and fumes right into my site. So disturbing trying to yell over them in conversation, or catch a short nap before heading back to the grounds. Not to mention what the continuous dBA's does to the hearing. I'd suggest if they want to run them continuously from am to pm, go to 24 generator area where no one will notice. Since the early 80's, never had a problem until they started pushing us out. We loved being in the far back half. We are a group of campers from tent to MH. Sorry but that's my gripe. LOVE LOVE LOVE everything else.
Of course it's the cash cow. You think your pathetic dues keeps the organization afloat? Between the EAA and the EAA foundation (last report I saw) they make about 2 million on a ten million gross at Osh.
But Monica, it is the "Sound of Oshkosh." Just kidding, that's why I always park in the 24 hour area. GlennQuote:
Originally Posted by Monica
My hope is that the guy with the LOUD Chinese generator with the loose rod parks in the middle of the 24 hour area and runs his 24x7
I completely agree.......But notice....none of the EAA moderators will comment on this thread.....but they will jump in on any other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by turtle
I've never camped with a generator before but this year we plan to bring a "Honda" gererator to use with my vintage, hard side pop up. We have a spot picked out that we used in 2016, no one on one side, no one in front and no one behind us. It was a "fer piece" from everything but relatively quite so, if it's open this year, that's where we're headed. Don't know anything about the 24 hr. camping spots, do they allow pop ups, is it more expensive or would we just be out of place ? LOL
Bob
I think the only restriction on the 24 hour generator area is no tents (presumably this means on the ground, rather than those as sides of a popup).
And that's part of my grumble. Some members of our OSH family bring their tents. In order to remain as a family, we are being forced to camp in the back 40 about as far from the showers as you can get, or set up a base camp in the 24 hour area and have the tenters commute back and forth. I have never felt the need to run my generator (Honda) after 10:30 PM. (Well there was that one year that the AC would have been nice) Otherwise I use it for the lights in the evening and to keep my battery charged. At least they could put a couple of those portable shower trailers out by the south gateQuote:
Originally Posted by FlyingRon
I think I was next to that guy last year over by 29th and Cottenwood. Seems that area is now the only Non-generator area in the entire camp. I havbe a generator in my motorhome but i only run it for a while if it's really hot before lights out. Last year, that area was General Camping but they now have the water and electric sites moving that direction. Anyone know if the Semi Trailer parking for vendors is still inside Camp Scholler? Last year, they took up a lot of camping area around the south gate. That's a great area to camp if you ride a bike over to the Ultralight area. Might ask that in a new thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianb52
Marty