Just tell me what you think about the flight and what you think happened!!
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Just tell me what you think about the flight and what you think happened!!
I think they were abducted by aliens. Not to make light of the situation, but without any factual content whatsoever to date, it's as good a speculation as any.
They should have found something if it went down in the water. I believe this is a hijacking. They should have found something by now. An airplane just does not disappear, not today with all the tech stuff we have and every other country. IMHO...
Tony
It's all speculation at this point! It is fairly clear that this bird is underwater somewhere and the transponder was off line early in the flight. If they do recover the black boxes then we'll have real data to support some kind of explanation regarding what happened. I'm sure we'll get all kinds of speculation like hijackers, crazy pilots, bombs on-board, or a total airframe failure. I'll take a wait and see on this one, too little information coming very slowly to the general public. If they can't recover whatever "key" evidence is out there we may never know what actually happened.
Joe
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I think they will find it fairly soon. In due time all will be known, flight recorders paramount.
It seems it flew on for a ways after comms ended. The auto-pilot would allow that, once programmed or pointed in the right direction. With the transponder off, it was most likely 'turned off'. If so, whoever was in the cockpit knew about flying planes. That may include an intruder or one/both of the assigned pilots.
I think they did get away from last contact, or they would of found debris. I hope the U.S. Navy can uncover some 'pings' in the ocean somewhere. I'm still about open to all possibilities.
Im with the alien theory on this one. Not the ones we see on TV running across the border in droves everyday, but the outer space kind.
The problem with the "Hijackers took the airplane" theory is that the 777 is the world's largest twin-engine airliner. You're NOT going to fly it into a secret jungle airstrip carved out by a couple of bulldozers. At least if you intend to fly it again.
That 777 is going to need a 5,000-foot paved runway. Most are pretty busy. The putative hijackers had all night to fly to one, true, but seems like the sudden appearance of a Malaysian 777, coupled with the reported disappearance of one, would likely attract some attention.
My guess? Gas bomb. Something that affects the lungs, first, so the pilots can't transmit what's happening. Sarin, maybe...there's precedence for it, in terrorist attacks.
Bomb goes off, pilots stop breathing. Captain makes the pilot's instinctive reaction of trying to turn back for home; when he realizes he's going under, he activates the autopilot as his last act (the desperate hope that he'll wake up). Co-Pilot tries to call for help in non-verbal way...change the transponder to 7700. But he's convulsing from the gas, and accidentally turns it off, instead.
Gas bomb would have minimal explosives, less likely to be detected at airport security. Any "elderly" passengers with oxygen tanks?
No announcement of credit by any terrorist group, because THEY don't know what happened either. They probably expected the plane to crash immediately.
Ron Wanttaja
Ron you could be right.
But what if this has been planned for years the taking of a heavy such as this and an airstrip built somewhere out of site, cover it with some soil to cover it up and just land her on the topsoil. Put her in an underground hangar.
A gas bomb would would not shut down system one after the other with a time delay of mins like they are reporting. But it would decompress the airplane. Is there systems in place where the automatic pilot will descend if a decompression happens? If not this could be the cause, The pilots turned the plane and something was not working in the oxygen system and everyone went to sleep and the plane just kept flying kinda like what happened to the Golfer.
That's a huge construction project. You aren't going to do it with a couple guys and a backhoe. There are probably going to be hundreds of folks involved, most of them just ordinary contractors. Most of the governments in that region will want their kick-backs for all that money.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1600vw
There can be semi-abandoned airports our there you might be able to use, so you don't have to construct a runway. Maybe some have hangars large enough for a 777. But if you want an *underground* hangar, you're going to have just as massive of a construction process. IIRC, the tail of a 777 is like, 70 feet high (I was on a VIP tour of the factory just this week). How *long* of a ramp will you need to get the plane into that massive underground hangar and be able to drag that 500,000-pound mass back up.... thousand feet? Again, not something you're going to do with just a couple of guys.
(Oh, look...they dug up a bunch of Spitfires in the process! :-)
In any case, that's a huge effort you're going to have to try and hide from civilian and national satellite imagery systems. And folks just walking by.
If you're going to fly it anywhere afterwards, you're also going to need thousands of gallons of Jet-A. There are probably people scanning records right now, looking for odd deliveries.
IIRC, the the engine-reporting system transmitted at 0110, and the last transponder contact was 0131.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1600vw
However, my understanding is that the engine reporting system is NOT continuous! It was supposed to send an update every half-hour. From what I understand, that's exactly what it did for the next several hours.
The Payne Stewart case does come to mind, but airliners have warning system and the pilots have their own oxygen masks that they're trained to don when necessary. It's certainly a possibility though... there was a Greek 737 that was lost nine years ago in what they think was exactly this scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1600vw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522
Ron Wanttaja
Like I said b/4, "lots of speculation" some great Hollywood plots but no real world facts. If it's under deep water we may never find it or be unable to recover the boxes that tell the tale.
Joe
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Originally Posted by Joe LaMantia
Not quite true. A lot of the Air France plane was brought up from very deep south Atlantic water and I think from memory the boxes as well. The submersibles can go to amazing depths. But first, need to find it, if it's in water. Time to call in Scully and Mulder!
OK, I'm seeing the reports that a *second* communications system (separate from the engine one) was reported to have shut down.
Waiting for more data on this. If it was a hostile takeover of the aircraft, seems the hijackers would have killed the transponder *first*, since the presence and use of the transponder is much better known that the peripheral reporting systems....yet that wasn't shut down for another fifteen minutes.
Ron Wanttaja
Then again, the Wall Street Journal (which originally broke the story) now says, "U.S. investigators suspect Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 flew for hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, based on an analysis of signals sent through the plane's satellite-communication link designed to automatically transmit the status of onboard systems, according to people familiar with the matter. An earlier version of this article and an accompanying graphic incorrectly said investigators based their suspicions on signals from monitoring systems embedded in the plane's Rolls-Royce PLC engines and described that process."Quote:
Originally Posted by rwanttaja
So, sounds like one system....which apparently kept transmitting on its designed spacing.
Ron Wanttaja
Ha, March 2014 FAA requires Lojack on all civil aircraft beginning April 1, 2014
Tim
Everyday this gets scarier.
I really feel sorry for every family member of anyone who was on this airplane and to all those people aboard when this happened. This is so very sad for so many people and in the future this could be so very very bad for so many more people. May God watch over everyone and not let anything bad happen to anymore people.
Scary
Tony
P.S. I wonder what the fallout from this will be? I am sure things are going to change in someway.
It's been buggin' me for over a week but I finally remembered where I'd seen this before. No one can find the plane because it's submerged intact 300 feet underwater. Whoever did this stole the plot line from Airport '77. Find out who/whom on the plane recently viewed this movie and voila, you have the perpetrator(s). Still got to find it though...underwater.
I have emailed this finding to the Malaysian authorities. They replied with thanks and gratitude and are following up. They said they'll keep me in the loop.
http://youtu.be/gZUkfmBCsrE
It seems to me that the nut cases are in full flight, every day as the plane remains missing. Now some people are making a big deal of the pilot having a flight simulator in his home. A charter pilot at our airport yesterday said the co-pilot was suspicious because he was only 27 years old.
I have no inside knowledge, not even much of an educated guess, but I'd bet some money that the plane is on the ocean bottom.
And by the way, please send me your donations. I'll take my minor 90% commission and send the rest on to Tighar and I'm sure they will get started on the search very soon.
My guess is a progressive and unknown electrical failure - followed by spatial disorientation of the pilots (lost), no communication or navigation - followed by a controlled crash into the Indian Ocean after the plane ran out of fuel. Like US Airways 1549 (Miracle on the Hudson), the plane remained essentially intact, and sunk to the bottom of the Indian ocean. I know there are a lot (a whole lot) of problems with my guesses, but I cannot grasp the lack of a debris field and it may explain the altitude changes.
Daniel
This is one of the more interesting theories as to what happened. It fits what little is known at this point better than many of the other theories floating around out there.
Indian ocean is a biiiiig body of water, and most of your "down low" search planes are going to be limited in how far out they can go in it. Depending on the Australia/Capetown shipping routes, there wouldn't be many nautical observers, etc.
Basic point is that the size of the debris field is meaningless; the number of observers is too scarce, and the wave action too rough for the size to make a difference. By now, anything waterloggable is under water, and everthing that isn't is scattered way too widely. There's a lot of junk out there. Was on a cruise to Hawaii once, and saw a green suitcase just floating along. Typical merchant ship is not going to heave to in order to gather every bit of trash.
Best bet is a naval ship getting out there quickly enough to detect the signals from the black box.
As to why? My guess is either suicide or a botched hijacking. "Botched" as in unable to navigate the plane, afterwards.
Ron Wanttaja
I wonder if we have any SOSUS equipment in the Indian Ocean? Rewind the tapes, listen for a big splash, follow whatever line you can generate from the data.
We also have Diego Garcia out in the middle of the Indian Ocean. It would be interesting to know what Radar and SIGINT capabilities we have there.
Interesting (and believable) take on this:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03...ectrical-fire/
Ron Wanttaja
I wouldn't be suprised if this incident is a religiously motivated act of terror. I'm sure the fallout from this will result in several major changes to the airlines. Perhaps an override feature where some guy in a cubicle can take control of the plane and remotely fly it like a drone.
I still can't fathom something like this happening with all the technology available these days. Hey, maybe they simply stole the plane and landed it on an old WWII airstrip somewhere. Wishful thinking. But for the sake of the passengers, I sure hope so.
They may finally have it, parts in the ocean.
Given that the sighted object is approx. 79 feet long it is logical to assume it is a piece of the missing aircraft. If and when they recover that item we will know for sure and it's logical to assume that we've got some heavy-duty search aircraft looking and listening in the area. The "black boxes" will continue signaling for about 20 more days so hopefully we can pin-point their location before they shut down. Assuming that happens, we should be able to recover those boxes, might not be a slam dunk, but it will get done. I expect we'll have some facts and answers in a year or so. The real question is; What will CNN and the rest of the news industry focus on next week?
Joe
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Not to worry Joe, if the pieces are from the mysteriously missing plane, this is "breaking news" that's good for weeks, perhaps months to come. The talking heads and "experts" will still be able to continue speculating, prognosticating and opining till the cows come home, all based on nothing. Replace them with chimps and you'll have the same results but it would be far more entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe LaMantia
If this debris is not the plane, then it's sadly the spec business as usual. My advise, stop watching and reading about this event until such time that there is substanciated and supportable EVIDENCE that the plane has been found and the various authorities begin to put out facts about what happened. This will take some time.
If this debris is not the plane, then it's sadly the spec business as usual. My advise, stop watching and reading about this event until such time that there is substanciated and supportable EVIDENCE that the plane has been found and the various authorities begin to put out facts about what happened. This will take some time.[/QUOTE]
Yup, as of this mornings news they can't find the debris, so if it is part of the plane, did it sink or drift much farther from their search area? Sunday will be the 15th day or mid-point on the battery life of those much needed black boxes. They've spent nearly 2 weeks looking and found nothing. It's been 77 years since A. Earhart disappeared, we're still speculating, which in that case has become a cottage industry. If the next couple of weeks comes up empty, I'll be looking for FOX to bring back "Lost" next fall!
Joe
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Ha I was talking to a pilot at work the other day about this. He said i have a decent theory ... what if there was a VIP or government official onboard that they wanted to kidnap and one of the pilots was in on it? so they turn the transponder off ... find a plane to 'follow' in the general direction they need to go, decompress the cabin, killing everyone but the VIP, and land and hold that VIP hostage for ransom or whatever .... ha just a thought ...
aliens is second best ...
Hey, pilotgirl, ask your pilot friend how you land a 766,000 lb airplane somewhere on at least a required 9000 ft paved runway without a single soul aware of it? Your pilot friend should give up his day job and write B movie scripts.
A terror organization would have been tripping over themselves to broadcast their accomplishments and demands before the plane touched down.
Not that I believe this mind you...
While a terrorist organization would be tripping over themselves to take credit, a CRIMINAL organization might not. (I mean entrepreneurial criminals, not terrorists who, by definition, are criminals.)
I'm wondering, did El Queda or any one ever actually claim responsibility for 911?
This might be a subtle long term method of destabilizing the world economy by creating fear of flying.
Seems it would be relatively easy to dispose of the passengers, gradually lower the cabin pressure, at some point the masks drop down but by then most people are pretty sleepy and those that do put on the masks only last in their seats another 15 min or so.
Both pilots would have to be in on it or one pilot silenced the other, for 911 they got 12 guys together to fly into buildings so recruiting 2 more seems possible.
One or both could be VERY deep moles, just when we let our guards down they hit us again in another unbelievable fashion. Fly an airliner to the most hard to reach inhospitable place on the planet so we have to spend hundreds of millions searching, maybe never find out, create lots of wild speculation and make it a long term issue.
Face it, even with all the security airliners are soft targets.
I'm surprised nobody has fired an easily acquired RPG into the wing tank of an airline on the end of the runway at LAX.
Am I correct in assuming both these pilots were muslim??
If they were the next time you climb on an airplane and the pilots name is Hamad El something or other what are you going to think about??
What was the ethnicity of the pilots on the Air France flight?
I think someone has a long term goal to destabilize and set our society back to a few years.
I have a good friend is a muslim and it is not the muslim religion that is to blame, but if looks, quacks and walks like a duck it is probably a duck.
Seems to me it would be substantially harder to recruit an American or European pilot to sacrifice himself for a bunch of virgins.
I'm just saying
Ray
Or it could be aliens.
Ray
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"Am I correct in assuming both these pilots were muslim??"
They were Jewish, Italian or Irish....feel better now?
"If they were the next time you climb on an airplane and the pilots name is Hamad El something or other what are you going to think about??"
I'm going to think that laffa, humus and tahina will probably be served on board...yummy!
"I have a good friend is a muslim"
Ya, Ya, I'll bet you also have a good friend who is Jewish too.
"Seems to me it would be substantially harder to recruit an American or European pilot to sacrifice himself for a bunch of virgins."
Terrorists groups are finding it harder to recruit these days after they found out that Susan Boyle was a virgin.
"I'm just saying"
Yes Ray, we know exactly what you're saying...and thinking. Not surprised you come from Alberta.
No I don't know any one who is Jewish, but I have had a good education on the muslim religion. These guys (terrorists) do not represent the muslim religion. However as I said, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it's probably a duck.
I kind of doubt they were Jewish, Italian or Irish although all those groups have extremists.
I made my point very clear, I was asking for information and stating my opinion and you assume because I'm from Alberta I'm a redneck racist.
I do not make personal attacks on an individuals character.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was an alien abduction:)
Not only did someone claim responsibility, they made several videos boasting of the attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by raytoews
There are Rednecks in Canada? Now we have Redneck "cells" everywhere!:rollseyes::thumbsup:
Had a co-worker who was a Sikh. He was driving one day, and noticed a car following him. They pulled up next to him at a stoplight and handed him a Klu Klux Klan business card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infidel
This was in Newfoundland....
Ron Wanttaja
Intolerance and racism knows no boundaries!
Ray