No, someone who isn't trying to inhale every whiff of BS that this 3rd class medical going away is. It simply will not happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Page
No, someone who isn't trying to inhale every whiff of BS that this 3rd class medical going away is. It simply will not happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Page
I rather doubt that the poor radio techniques (not skills) and the lack of appreciation for the FARs is caused by a diagnosable mental condition. These failings are more than likely the result of an attitude that is not on the list of things that will cause anyone to fail a medical....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Switzer
If what you suggest is true, how come there are so many of those folks still out there when we still require medicals to fly? The current requirement for medicals doesn't seem to be too successful in keeping folks with "poor radio skills"
and "disregard for the FARs" from flying in your world, since you have had occasion to meet so many of them....
Amen to that Marty. There's one guy who flies around here a lot who announces himself on approach as "Battle Creek Traffic, November __________, inbound for landing. Two minute ETA." The bigger problem with that is that he's either on the fastest and widest traffic pattern ever for an airport 156 miles away or can't seem to remember that it's EAGLE Creek airport. The smaller problem is that he never bothers to give position reports in a way that are useful to help you figure out where he is exactly. People have tried to correct him on the radio ("Do you mean Eagle Creek?") and the few times he even bothers to respond it's "No, I know where I am at!"Quote:
Originally Posted by martymayes
Yeah, in most cases it's just good ol' fashioned stupidity. Last time I checked, that's not listed in the DSM.Quote:
I rather doubt that the poor radio techniques (not skills) and the lack of appreciation for the FARs is caused by a diagnosable mental condition
Jerry, I am talking about some specific cases where the guys don't have any business driving a car let alone flying a plane. They know full well they don't have any chance of passing a third class medical exam, so they are flying SP.
That is why this proposal doesn't have any chance of going thru. The same guys will then be flying heavier, faster planes, with absolutely no medical oversight.
I disagree with some of the elitist attiude I often feel on this site. I owned a Cherokee for many years. Eventually sold it and started flying light sport not because I couldn't pass the medical but because (1) my flying needs changed somewhat and (2) it was not required for flying my Champ or L16. I can't imagine how I would be any less safe flying a 150, 172 or Cherokee 140, etc. considering one passenger, no night flying, etc. I'm 73 in perfect health according to a recent physical by my regular physician (his exact words were "I wish I had your numbers". If I'm not feeling well or have some personal health concerns I'm not going to fly..plain and simple. I really can't see any difference between flying a Champ or a 150 ....medical wise, and by the way as a former teacher I can talk pretty well on the radio.
There are some that consider if you don't have an airplane license with all the endorsements (especially an instrument rating) you're not really a pilot........ I tend to disagree.
Honestly, most of the truly great pilots I know from strict flying ability outside of the "GREATS" (Hoover, etc) have been VFR only private pilots without any endorsements outside of that for flying gliders. Not my type of flying, but I envy the hell out of their skills.Quote:
There are some that consider if you don't have an airplane license with all the endorsements (especially an instrument rating) you're not really a pilot........ I tend to disagree.
If everyone did that the proposal might have a chance - but the fact of the matter is there are people abusing the SP system, and the FAA knows it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Berg
This is and does happen with current pilots so the SP designation makes no difference to the equation. Those type of people will break the rules anyway, so your analogy that is is going to happen with this proposal is a moot point. In all my years of flying (25 years) I have seen all manner of pilots flying that should not have been flying due to either a health issue of a self induced issue (drinking alcohol). No different that the idiots out driving cars that shouldn't be on the road....there is no possible way that every single 'rule breaker' will be stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Switzer
Geeze, WW, do you mean that making them see a doctor every two years won't cure their disregard for regulations or safety? Ya' know, I'll just bet that there were folks flying without medicals even before the Sport Pilot Rule came into existance....Quote:
Originally Posted by WWhunter
Exactly, I think if the feds were to check the licenses of some of the local fly in's in any location they would probably find 5-10% with either expired biennual flight reviews or medicals. I wouldn't do it because of insurance requirements but some just don't see the need. It's human nature and you only have to look at the traffic reports in the local paper to confirm it. Sorry but I still get back to the fact that if I'm qualified to fly LS without a medical there's no reason not to raise the bar at bit and include 150's, 172's, Cherokee's, etc. They're a h--- of a lot easier to handle in a cross wind on hard surface than a light weight tail dragger.
Mike