Icon A5 Request For Weight Increase Exemption Status

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Originally Posted by Floatsflyer

The FAA is a lot of things, but machiavellian is not one of them. If I'm getting you right, you think that if the request is denied, the FAA will make a bold, loud and humiliating proclamation. That's nonsense. There's no vendetta here, no hostility, it's not personal. It's just business. They'll respond like they always do, in writing with some reasons set out for the denial.

And that'll be it, until a possible appeal by Icon or they go combination primary and LSA.

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Is that even a possibility? Can a denied weight exemption request be appealed?

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Originally Posted by kmhd1

Very interesting. I did not know the Ercoupe was an LSA.

As for part 23 aircraft, I'm curious why they would delineate a very specific spin-resistant standard (full envelope 14 CFR 23.221(a)(2) and then allow every aircraft a way out of that standard with this ELS you are referring to.

Admittedly, I don't know much about part 23 type certified aircraft but I thought that particular standard (full envelope 14 CFR 23.221(a)(2) was optional and I am specifically referring to this spin-resistant standard and not the equivalent level of safety you mentioned.

In other words, the highlight to this whole drama I thought was that no aircraft had met the specific spin-resistant standard . Everything I have read says full envelope 14 CFR 23.221(a)(2) standards have not been met by any aircraft. If true, then Icon has truly brought a unique innovation to its design and done something no part 23 aircraft has done nor is required to do.

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First of all, Popeye is only partially correct about Ercoupes--only certain models are LSA, the rest are not. Here's the list of all FAA approved SLSA legacy aircraft:

http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/l...tingModels.pdf


Secondly, stop being apologetic about the knowledge and factual content you have regarding Icon being the only aircraft in existance to meet FAA full envelope Part 23 spin resistance standards. I've already addressed this fact numerous times here. Popeye's gobblygook has you second guessing yourself. Stop at once!!! He can continue to be either in denial or delusional. :confused: Once again, here it is:

http://www.iconaircraft.com/dl/news/..._Milestone.pdf

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Originally Posted by Floatsflyer

First of all, Popeye is only partially correct about Ercoupes--only certain models are LSA, the rest are not. Here's the list of all FAA approved SLSA legacy aircraft:

http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/l...tingModels.pdf


Secondly, stop being apologetic about the knowledge and factual content you have regarding Icon being the only aircraft in existance to meet FAA full envelope Part 23 spin resistance standards. I've already addressed this fact numerous times here. Popeye's gobblygook has you second guessing yourself. Stop at once!!! He can continue to be either in denial or delusional. :confused: Once again, here it is:

http://www.iconaircraft.com/dl/news/..._Milestone.pdf

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She might be old but she meets the Part 23 spin resistance standards. They just are not currently in production.

Your source is Icon??? Really, am laughing out loud. There is no way that could be bias.

Here is a story from Flying that completely discredits that press release.
Blowing Smoke on Certification Standards

Companies shouldn't imply their airplanes meet Part 23 certification standards, unless they do.


http://www.flyingmag.com/blogs/going...tion-standards

There only facts, they cant hurt you.

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Originally Posted by kmhd1

Is that even a possibility? Can a denied weight exemption request be appealed?

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YES, almost all government agency decisions are appealable. By numerous means including but not limited to: through state and federal legislatures, orders in council, by the agencie's own legislative authority and the courts system.

Cross the fingers, will know the result within 18 hours.

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Originally Posted by Eaglerhythm

Cross the fingers, will know the result within 18 hours.

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What are you talking about? Is there a scheduled press conference first thing Monday morning?

Someone said FAA is going to annouce the Weight exemption result the following week, positively.
I guess, or predict, lol, the result will be annouced tomorrow, first day of the week, positively.

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Originally Posted by Popeye

Your source is Icon??? Really, am laughing out loud. There is no way that could be bias.

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You don't mean they're lying, do you? You don't mean they're not telling the truth, do you? You don't mean they would go to such lengths and expense just to generate a hoax, do you? You believe your god, I'll believe mine(she's a good one).

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Originally Posted by Floatsflyer

You don't mean they're lying, do you? You don't mean they're not telling the truth, do you? You don't mean they would go to such lengths and expense just to generate a hoax, do you? You believe your god, I'll believe mine(she's a good one).

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Since when would this be new? All companies lie, especially their marketing departments.

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Originally Posted by Floatsflyer

You don't mean they're lying, do you? You don't mean they're not telling the truth, do you? You don't mean they would go to such lengths and expense just to generate a hoax, do you? You believe your god, I'll believe mine(she's a good one).

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As Rutan said "its been seven years and they haven't produced any airplanes"