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The Forum buildings need big numbers on all four sides. It is frustrating walking around the buildings just to find the single building number while getting to a forum. This and the confusing tram identification color are a pain. Little things can make a big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunkie
Our first visit was in 2000 and the very first thing we saw was Jerry’s One Man Band. The bike corral gate as always been the Monday morning entrance ever since. It will be sad when he does hang it up but everyone needs to throttle back sometime. Hope he comes back for one more year.Quote:
Originally Posted by glider90
Bill, I agree about the forum buildings. Kept wandering around looking for one and then realized where I stopped to rest was what I was looking for. I do have to ask though, tram colors are a pain? Never had trouble figuring them out. rode them everywhere.
Bill L
So happy to have such improvement in the vehicle traffic on the grounds this year. Only saw one jerk driving too fast through the crowd all week! Not sure what was done differently, but it worked.
+2!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Berson
One change I noticed was a lack of gators which seemed to be the worst speed offenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by keen9
The first thing I noticed in HBC was the grass - it was pretty tall when we arrived the Saturday before the show started. It was much higher a week later. Second, we were parked in row 301 near the back of HBC. All of the airplanes back there were absolutely covered in dust kicked up by traffic on the airport perimeter road. Presumably that is made worse because so many cars are parked in grass/dirt lots and bring the dirt back to the main road to be kicked up by the traffic. It would be nice to have a water truck going back and forth keeping that section of the road damp to hold down the dust.
But you know what? If those are my biggest complaints, things are pretty good!
My airplane was parked in the L-Bird section of Warbirds. It was also covered with dust by the end of the week -- even with flying it couple of times. Maybe it is because the L-Bird line is so close to Knapp Road and all of the trams, and gators, and golf carts, etc. Maybe it was just because it was so WONDERFULLY dry this year and everybody got dusty, no matter where one parked..
Yep, your choices are dust or mud. In previous years (not to mention Sloshkosh) we end up filling some of the grass taxiways with wood chips because the soft spots started to get rutted with the passage of hundreds of aircraft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayhemxpc
The good:
Both evening concerts were great, Jack Pelton has a great stage presence. Having the jets parked in the crowd for the Lt Dan band added to the ambiance. The Mustang run-up and formation flying was good to see again. The porta johns in Camp Scholler were always clean. F-100 and F-4 for the night show were awesome. Really enjoyed the fireworks and the wall of fire. Plenty of food options at a reasonable price. Jerry's One Man Band and the Ornathopter. The Saturday street market in downtown Oshkosh. ATC sounded very friendly "welcome to Oshkosh" or "What year is that plane? It looks great". Everyone in uniform from the CAP to the armed guards around the modern military aircraft were very courteous and usually ended each reply sentence with "sir".
The bad:
The 6 hour drive home and the anticipation of next year.
The CAP kids do the thankless jobs at Oshkosh. Always courteous (they were real appreciative when we told them they were free to use our water/gatorade jubs on the flight line).
Sure, easy if you know about the flags mostly invisible on the back. To a newcomer, the trams all look blue.Quote:
Originally Posted by skyfixer8
I know the blue fringe is a confusion factor on trams, has been for years. Any EAA staffers on here want to bring this up at next meeting ?
Bill L
A change I have suggested before is to put on the tram stop signs where the tram is going. That would obviate the need to worry what color the tram is. The trams all stop in discrete locations for where they are going.
Something like:
BOARD HERE FOR:
Exhibit Buildings
Transfer to Bus Tower
Forums
Warbirds
North 40
and then on the other side of the street:
BOARD HERE FOR
Vintage
Ultralights
Transfer to Seaplane Base
With all green tractors!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Berson
Great idea and simple enough to do!Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingRon
I don't know why EAA doesn't have just one main tram route, all the way from the North 40 to past the ultralights. It would eliminate the transfer at the Hangar Cafe and the waiting at the control tower, would be less confusing for attendees, and would require fewer volunteers since there wouldn't need to be volunteers trying to direct traffic at those locations. I would also suggest using trams instead of school busses to get to the museum and Pioneer Airport.
There's no change at the Tower stop anymore. They did away with that last year (last year was really messed up because the Thunderbirds mandated displacing the tram routes to the perimeter road where it passes through the Vintage area).Quote:
Originally Posted by BeagleOne
The school buses are used when there isn't the capacity (either physically or with volunteer coverage) to operate the trams. Adding bus coverage is just a matter of $$$.
As one of the initial complainers of the golf cart, scooter ,vehicles issue last year I just wanted to congratulate the staff on a job well done this year. I had no complaints or issues at all this year.Well done.:thumbsup:
Mike
I didn't say there was. I said "the waiting at the control tower". This year there were volunteers at the tower stop with radios, apparently trying to keep the trams separated. The tram I was on sat there for ten minutes waiting to be cleared to continue north.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingRon
As an opposing point of view, I think that the stop at the control tower is handled reasonably well. It is a transfer point between the red and green trams. It is a spot where a lot of people get off and the people coming in from the parking areas and green tram can get on. Treating it like any other stop is likely to result in significant hazards, given the number of people getting on and off at that point. Marshaling can be improved, and I am confident that it will be a process of continual improvement. It is certainly an improvement from a couple of years ago, when you had to unload there.
Where the exact transfer spot be between the blue and red lines should be is a good question. Until demonstrated otherwise, I am willing to believe that the folks responsible for transportation planning have looked at that and will continue to adjust based on experience.
It's obvious to me that the only solution is to build a genuine, Bona fide, Electrified, Six-car Monorail. Although Leonard Nimoy isn't with us anymore to solve any difficulty on the inaugural run.
Yep, they were also there because since that is the merge of the red line going in non-obvious directions (it defies logic at that loop which way the tram will go after it departs) and the green (bus tower) line, there is lots of "which tram is this" going on there which better signage as suggested would help.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeagleOne
There's some logic, but I could never remember which side went in which direction. Not this year but last, the driver of the tram I was on turned in the wrong entrance and ended up facing the wrong way on the wrong side. After getting chewed out over the speakers by the lady in the back for thirty seconds nonstop, the driver got down from the tractor and walked away.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingRon
Yep. Just one endless circle of trams running North and South. If you want to go North, hop on a tram pointed that way. South? Same thing. Get off at your destination.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeagleOne
Simple.
Oh, and the idea of signs stating: "Exit here for xxx" is excellent.
Very late now, but I missed listing one of my absolutely favorite unexpected good things about AirVenture this year. See the One-Week-Wonder on Display and seeing my scribble, and those of my family next to some of the rivets we pulled. THAT is EAA.Attachment 5125
Very cool.