Rebuilders are mechanics. They usually don't have as many assets to go after.
I don't know if AOPA can find "reimagination" insurance.
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Rebuilders are mechanics. They usually don't have as many assets to go after.
I don't know if AOPA can find "reimagination" insurance.
I suppose you're right about that. It certainly wouldn't hurt anything if the airplane is equipped for it. Looking at the SP performance objectives, I also see nothing for unusual attitude recovery. I don't care what you're flying, it's not immune to wake turbulence and other unfortunate upset possibilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by jedi
They may be pretty, but if you fall outside the third class medical or Basic Med groups then there most certainly IS a need to care about it. And I'm sorry, but I don't care how much of an overhaul a 152 or 172 has had -- I'll still take my ELSA RV-12, thank you very much. It cost me less than half the $130K for the restored, decades-old 152, and has all the benefits of an experimental (not to mention being a dozen knots faster in cruise).Quote:
Originally Posted by Floatsflyer
I looked for a while, but can find no sign that the $160K 172 is a reality... the only 172s Yingling shows for sale (or sold) are well over $200K. Maybe I missed something.
Happy new year all, i have good news, some good Samaritan pilot, has bought a Cessna Sky Catcher and decided to lease it, for use by the local FBO for use in Light Sport training. So miracles do happen, will be going to check it out tomorrow, to find out how soon we can get back into the air.
This is 5 minutes from my work, so this is a true miracle from the start of this posting.
Robert
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Originally Posted by Robert Dingus
That's great......now if the weather just cooperates
That is good news Robert, Get signed up and "Git 'er done!"
Great news above. Anybody else looking for sport pilot training please contact me. I have some unique suggestions that may be of interest to you. Also any new basic student planning to go all the way to airline work, like to talk to you too about how to save $$$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Dingus
CFIG1467368@yahoo.com.
And now for the other shoe to drop, the FBO looked at the insurance cost to add it to the fleet, as a trainer for new / student pilots. They choked on the cost, for offering it for training new pilots. If they only use it for pilots with certificates, or existing pilots for transition or check outs, insurance is easy just another line item.
The owner and the FBO are still deciding to proceed or not in offering this for use as a trainer.
Will keep you informed, as to what really happens, im hopeful we get it so i can finish up and get my license.
Robert
Robert if you have not thought about this, you may want to look for a local owners training club. You buy in for a share, once your training is over you sell your share to the next student. many are doing this today. I even know a few whom went out and purchased an airplane just to do this training in. Or if you know others in your area looking for this training, go in together on an airplane and us it to train in together. Just some idea's I am throwing out and you may have already thought of these.
I'm mystified by this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Dingus
Locally there is a student pilot who has been training for a Sport Pilot ticket. His CFI had him training in the CFI's Champ. When it was time for him to solo, though, the Champ isn't insured for solo student pilots. Neither is the Champ operated by a local flying club, which coincidentally the only other LSA that might be had for non-owner flying.
I have an LSA, but it's Experimental and so cannot be rented. So, we started talking about him buying part of my airplane so he could fly it as an owner. I emailed my insurance agent and asked about adding a pre-solo student pilot to the insurance as a named pilot. We were prepared for a pretty high number. Turns out it cost me $100. That's it. My rate doesn't change; seems that since I have less than 150 hours in type my rate is as high as it will get. Adding him was just paperwork and a change fee. So now he's an airplane owner. He flies solo every chance he gets, flies with his instructor, and we've never once had a conflict. In fact, we're thinking seriously about adding a third person. The insurance cost for both of us is less than $1400 per year, including enough hull coverage to replace it.
I know a local man who build an RV. His airplane has graced the pages of EAA mag. He has over 4000 hrs flying all sorts of different airplanes, but not a tail wheel. He purchases a small EAB tail wheel airplane. He calls his insurance company to insure this airplane. He told me they wanted more to insure this airplane then they wanted to insure his RV airplane. It was around 3x as much. Because this airplane is nothing more then an ultralight style airplane, he said he will fly it naked. His plans are to just fly above corn for the fun of flying. If he wants to go anywhere he will get in his RV.
I then have another friend who just purchased an airplane. Its a trike or nose wheel. He is a student pilot. The insurance for this airplane is so expensive for him to be covered he is not. He has another man who holds a PP certificate insured on this airplane. When he flies he takes this man with him.
I then call to get not-in-motion insurance on my eab. They wanted 800 a year for this. DaleB I wonder why you have better luck then those in my area cost wise? Maybe it is who you know.
I just did what a lot of RV owners do, I called AJ Gallagher. Take to Jennifer or Shanna. Full coverage on my RV-12, WITH a student pilot on the policy and enough hull coverage to replace it, is under $1400 per year. It was under $900 when I just carried enough hull coverage to keep me from losing too much if it got destroyed. Considering I've got about 200 hours total and my new partner has less than 100 hours of RV-12 time (and no ticket yet), I don't think that's too bad. The rates should go down substantially when he gets more time; the cutoff is either 100 or 150 time in type to get the rates down.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1600vw
That may or may not sound like an unreasonable number to you. Everyone has a different threshold of pain. :)
Annual cost of Fly Baby hull coverage: $800
Years of flying Fly Babies without an accident: 30
Total amount saved by not having hull coverage: $24,000
Value of aircraft: $10,000
Any questions?
(and yes, I carry liability...$178/yr)
Ron Wanttaja
Commercial policy. The premium for a personal/biz policy on a m or n model 172 will run around $1000/yr. To use that plane for flight training, premium jumps to over $5000/yr.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaleB
My 150 is $725/yr. That's with a student pilot on it. Liability w/20K hull.
Call them up and say you will be offering flight training to the public. You’ll buy the hull every 3 yrs with premiums.Quote:
Originally Posted by malexander
so far no decision to put the 162 online, and the 5000 a year premium is still hanging out there. until they make a decision we are still on hold, there are o flying clubs in my area, we have at least 6 local airports within an hour drive, and not one willing light sport owner. Granted the 150,000 RV is nice, I could not afford his fuel bill. and with all that glass on the panel, lets just say wow, dollar bills.
Robert
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Originally Posted by Robert Dingus
I was wondering if I had posted this and forgot;swear I was just complaining about the exact same things. I was thinking the heavy regulations are the issue. I will concede that I know very little however.
Was told we should kindly express our concerns to a "David Oord" at David.Oord@aopa.org
Is this true if my aircraft has no lights and no instrurments.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaleB
Yes.
The certificate is not issued for your specific airplane. Is that for sure the only airplane you'd ever fly? Even if that's true, as I said, it would be difficult to argue how more training and a wider range of flying experience would not make you better equipped to fly. Especially unusual attitude recovery. Even airplanes without lights and a full panel are still subject things like wake turbulence.
ok,the final decision is in, they are not going to offer the 162 for Light Sport training or use.
Looking t build my own LSA to finish my training, that means I have to let other fly off the 40 hours, before I can use my own aircraft.
at least I can fly it when ever I want, still the same limitations.
always a road block, some place.
Robert
You might be able to fly off most of the 40 hours as a solo student. You would need to get soloed and endorsed by an instructor in a similar aircraft, I think. If the aircraft is a single seat you can take the check ride with the DPE on the ground, I think.
Request that Operating Limitations NOT limit student solo when you get the Airworthiness certificate.
If you build E-LSA it’s a lot less than 40 hours.
So what did you think of the Gleim SP package? My real goal Is to own and fly an Ultra Light but no harm in getting the ground school and test out of the way in case I change my mind. I wonder how long the results of the written test are valid?Quote:
Originally Posted by CHICAGORANDY
The results of the Sport, Rec, and Private Knowledge test are valid for 2 years. Make sure not to lose the test results sheet the testing evaluator will give you.
I think the Gleim package is quite complete and comprehensive. Written in understandable language and the format breaks up the materials in small enough segments to motivate continuing.
I ended up going with the new updated 2018 Online course from Sporty's since I am going for the Sport Pilot license. Also ordered the FAR-AIM 2018 and a log book. When I get the ground done and out of the way I will find a CFI with a light sport aircraft available to teach in to do the flight training.Quote:
Originally Posted by CHICAGORANDY
Thanks for the reply Randy.
I used the Gleim package for my Sport Pilot stuff, and it worked out really well, and was worth the money.
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Backing up a bit to previous posts, here's how I did my training:
1) Sport Pilot ticket gained in a FlightDesign CTLS, which a guy on the field rented to my CFI to help him pay for it (yes, it was insured for students, etc.).
2) Tailwheel endorsement in a Champ, and most of my hours outside of #3 was in that Champ.
3) Built my own airplane while doing 1) and 2) above, and fly it.
Since I knew I was going to fly purely for recreational reasons during daylight in severe VFR, low and slow in an open cockpit biplane that met LSA criteria, I found no need for more than a Sport Pilot certificate. That said, I've done spin training and a touch of aerobatic training as well.
Frank that is more or less my route. I am perhaps 25% into the Sporty's course and I can not say enough good about it. I went with it because it has all been freshly updated 2018. Plan to get the student written certificate and then seek out CFI with a LSA to flight train on. I am either going to build one or purchase one of the many LSA used that I see offered for sale.
Building is not out of the picture and thanks to my loving wife who allows me to furnish my shop with whatever I think I need it may come to that.
If I can not find someone local I will load up my pup, my wife and take the camper someplace where they do!
While some may question the wisdom of it, I found building the airplane (or preparing to build it) during flight training really motivated me, particularly when I was plugging down money on renting a plane.
Money was an issue for my endeavors; fortunately, I had a solid plan going into it. I worked a second job and put aside the cash for about half a year for training - I didn't want to have to hold that up owing to a shortage of funds - and then started putting aside for the aircraft, knowing that I could continue to save for the engine while I worked on the airframe.
It's about priority. I could spend four bucks on a cup of coffee....or I could buy an AN4 bolt. Buy a game off of Steam or an airspeed indicator. Etc., etc.
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Above all, the wife's support was key. She has absolutely no interest in General Aviation at all, but since it's important to me, it's important to her. Indeed, she'll sometimes ask why I haven't gone out to the airport to either work on the plane (there is always something to do on it) or go fly!
Congratulation to all you dedicated students and builders. Makes me happy to see and hear about you and your interest in light aviation. As a long time pilot and CFI if I can be of any assistance I would like to do what I can to help or encourage your efforts.
There is not enough activity on this site to be high on my list of activities. If you are not on Homebuiltairplanes.com you may want to look for me there.
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Originally Posted by Frank Giger;70661
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This is my wife. She has absolutely no interest in flying. I can't say she doesn't like aviation. She TOTALLY supports my habit/hobby. She's been right by our daughter's side all the way, while she's gotten all her rating up to CFII, and is supporting her on to the airlines. And would be an encouragement to our other daughter as well, if she were to decide to get her PPL. We live on a private airport, and my wife wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread, but..........thought it was a good opportunity to brag.:)
I'm in the same boat, PPL in 1974, flew for a few years then life got in the way. A couple of years ago I decided to get back to doing the only sport I like, flying. There are two 1946 Champs for rent 40 miles from my home and they stay busy most of the time, either flying or in the shop. I made quite a few trips to the airport to fly only to find the weather/wind to bad for my skill level or someone extended their flight time and now the plane is in the shop for a 100 hr. inspection. Also, they jacked up the fuel prices and the price for instruction so I decided to stop wasting my money and roll the dice to get my 3rd class medical again. After the Aeromed Dr. sent all my paper work to the FAA, I got a letter 5 weeks later saying they needed more info. I ended up doing it all over again, new stress test, even though the first one was less than 3 months old, new sleep study and new eye exam. I mailed off 92 pages of stuff two weeks ago so maybe in a couple of months I'll know something. The only reason I'm going for my 3rd class again is because there are at least 25 airplanes within 50 miles that I could have access to, compared to the two Champs. Sport Flying is what I do anyway, I'm not going to fly into a busy airport unless I have my (best friend) instructor with me. I have more time in a 150 than anything else but for S/P, it's off limits. I know at 71 it's a gamble but with the lack of S/P aircraft I feel I don't have much choice.
Bob
I found a Sport plane locally I can buy, so by the time I pay for the 12,500 dollar aircraft, this makes my sport license cost me roughly, $16,000.00, just to get my a$$ in the air legally. we really have to love flying, to spend that kind of money just to get licensed, and have access. I'm sorry but a 2 year longer wait, is just plain crappy. Government and businesses can jack up gasoline overnight, yet we cannot fix something that has been broken for more than 10 years in less than 4, wasting 1000's to step over people, just to go slow. pathetic
Robert
You should be able to cut the $1600 down to much less with some searching for a CFI that likes to fly your airplane. I mentioned on another thread two C-150s for $10,000 each that are available. $14,000 more or less plus some gas and maintenance, etc. can get you a PPL and a plane to fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Dingus
True, but the 150 is NOT available 'yet' for Sport Pilotage. And if a weight change will indeed take years, my personal options as a geezer remain extremely limited due to the scarcity of LSA rental craft and schools.
ChicagoRandy Try to search out someone with an experimental two seat whom will let you become part owner. Do your training, then take you name off the registration or sell your share to someone else if the Owner is up to this. If you lived closer I would offer this to you with my airplane. I like the idea of aviators helping other aviators. How aviation was built. If we want aviation to be what it once was, we need to get back to basics. The pluses for me, friendship. I hope it all works out for you CHICAGORANDY.
Tony
Tench,
Do not listen to those guys!!!
At this point you are just trying to gain experience by any means necessary. I was faced with the same funding challenges and went the Sport Licence route. I am adding to that as I go. Trying to get my CFI for Sport Pilot training to help fill the much needed void of Sport instructors. I live close to Hammond, Louisiana. At the Hammond Airport, my flight instructor's name is Mr. Steve Rastanis. He owns and operates Auto-Gyro of Louisiana along with his wife Mrs. Terri. They do both the Sport Licence and Auto Gyro for those interested in Gyro work.
The training aircraft they operated is the Evector Sports Star. Simply stated it is a bad a$$ little trainer. Stick and rudder job with superior visibility and handles like a little fighter. It's the sexiest trainer that I have seen in flight schools.
Auto-Gyro of Louisiana also has accommodations for out of town students which Mr. Steve services a ton of. Many of his Gyro students are from other countries.
He is the only outfit i could find that would cater to my needs. Thank the Lord!
NEVER give up your dream of flying, NEVER! You gotta stay hungry if you want to get in the air!
Yellowhammer
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