Private Pilot SEL and Amphibians

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Originally Posted by Bill Berson

Floats flyer,
I go to the FAR's for my information, not sales reps. That doesn't mean I am always right, but I try.

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For an E-A/B, the definitive answer is in the aircraft's operating limitations. Most likely, category/class ratings are required.

That is correct. If you would like some light reading, look up FAA Order 8130.2f. Start at page 161.

Best of luck,

Wes
N78PS

Getting back to the 1st hijack, IIRC, if the aircraft has more than one seat you need to be appropriately certificated/rated. If it's a single seat aircraft, then you're good to go, legally speaking. Flying solo with a two (or more) seat aircraft still requires the ticket. This is a loophole that was tightened several years ago.

Anymouse, can you cite the FAR? I went looking and did not immediately find it.

Thanks,

Wes
N78PS

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Originally Posted by Anymouse

Getting back to the 1st hijack, IIRC, if the aircraft has more than one seat you need to be appropriately certificated/rated. If it's a single seat aircraft, then you're good to go, legally speaking. Flying solo with a two (or more) seat aircraft still requires the ticket. This is a loophole that was tightened several years ago.

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A student pilot can solo a two seat Cessna 150 without any rating, just need an instructors endorsement in the log.
A helicopter instructor once told me that since I have a private SEL, I don't require his endorsement to solo a helicopter.

So where is the rule?

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Originally Posted by Bill Berson

A student pilot can solo a two seat Cessna 150 without any rating, just need an instructors endorsement in the log.
A helicopter instructor once told me that since I have a private SEL, I don't require his endorsement to solo a helicopter.

So where is the rule?

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Apples and oranges. Student solo endorsements expire eventually.

Go do your own research. You'll probably find it on the EAA website.

FYI - I pruned this thread this morning, removing some off-topic bickering. Please carry on...

I don't think part 61.31 is the correct FAR to reference here. While that does technically allow someone to fly a experimental helicopter (twin, etc) with a only a SEL rating as long as it is allowed on the aircraft's operating limitations. I think this conversation would be better directed looking at how an aircraft is certified. According to the Type Certificate Data Sheet for the Lake LA-4 ( http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...Highlight=lake ) the aircraft is a "Small Airplane". I don't believe (I could be wrong) that there is anything certifying the LA-4 as an Amphibian. Thus if you were to fly it strictly from land you would only need an SEL rating.

Same for a C-182 on amphibious floats. I don't think adding the floats changes anything about how the aircraft is certified, thus if you wanted to fly a really slow, inefficient C-182 with only an SEL, you could add floats to it and only fly it from land.

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Originally Posted by skier

I don't believe (I could be wrong) that there is anything certifying the LA-4 as an Amphibian. Thus if you were to fly it strictly from land you would only need an SEL rating.

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Well, the TCDS says: 4PCAmM(Normal Category). Deciphered, that means 4 place, Cabin, Amphibian, Monoplane (Normal Category is self explanatory).

I think you are saying if a plane is certified as a seaplane, the pilot would be required to have a seaplane rating, since it would be precluded from land operations, which would be correct.

A C-182 is certified as a 4PCLM, 4 place cabin, land, monoplane but If you added straight floats it would become a 4PCSM and would require a seaplane rating to fly, since it would no longer be possible to operate from land.

Talked to a buddy about this thread. He did fly an amphib when he only had an ASEL rating AND got ramp checked. No problem from those Feds but that was a while ago. He is ASES rated now.

YMMV