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rideinsky
12-24-2019, 02:32 PM
Hello to all fellow members. I am new to the forum and I recently acquired a T-28A and I'm trying to find a, T-28 PDF or some type of printable "Annual Inspection Checklist".
Thanks in advance for any help, Bill.

CraigCantwell
12-24-2019, 03:36 PM
Best bet would be to join NATA and order the books on the T-28 that you will need. These are 3 of the biggies:

T-28B/C PERIODIC MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS, NAVAIR 01-60FGB-6, Mar, '67

T-28B/C INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS INTERMEDIATE & MAJOR, NAVWEPS 01-60FGB-7, May '63

1T-28A-2, T-28A & D MAINTENANCE MANUAL 800 pages

If you are still running an R-1300, you will want R-1300 books too.

FlyingRon
12-24-2019, 07:47 PM
NATA is a great organization. If you're flying or maintaining one of the aircraft they cover, you need to be a member.

Bill Greenwood
12-25-2019, 06:09 AM
Bill. I am not a 28 owner nor an expert on them, but my impression from watching an annual is that they are complex. If this is your first annual on a new to you plane, it may be really worthwhile to have a shop who is expert and experienced in 28s do the work, and maybe with you watching. You don't say if you are an A &P or where you are. I think N A must have gotten paid by the pound when they built them, thers's a lot of ironmongery in there!
This maybe be way out of date, but there is an AD, I think on a tail reinforcement mod that is vital, without it tails have come apart so make sure that has been done to your plane. And years ago there were some engine failure problems, don't recall any details on that. Good luck

Mayhemxpc
12-25-2019, 01:34 PM
The proper books are critical. I do not own or operate a T-28 (and I think it is cool that you do!) I have a lowly O-2A. After 12 years, I changed maintenance shops and it is fun to watch them go through the annual with the manuals I provided. The mechanics are surprised by the USAF maintenance manuals and inspection cards. Surprised because the way they are written, as one observed, makes it, "so easy to follow. How to do everything is explained." I was told that during initial inspection, they saw several things in the plane that "didn't look right, but then we checked the manual and found out it was exactly the way it way supposed to be." I am not doing an owner assisted annual, but I am there enough to see that things are being done properly and to answer questions that may come up. In your case you will learn a lot by being there and asking questions yourself. Definitely make yourself familiar with the manuals and the inspection documents. I am not a mechanic and not competent to work on anything much more advanced than an early 70's Super Beetle, butI learned a lot about the plane from reading the military maintenance manuals.

Another source for the manuals is Essco: https://www.esscoaircraft.com/c-9780-north-american-t-28-series.aspx

Samuel
12-26-2019, 01:38 PM
Check with AirCorps Library. They might have the documents you are looking for.

Bill Greenwood
12-29-2019, 10:54 AM
Some years ago a T-28 owner was nice enough to let me fly his plane. I had never flown one before, maybe not even sat in one and it was in an airshow, but I managed and other than feeling like I was sitting on the 2nd floor it seemed pretty easy So he asked me to help with an possible engine problem. I am not an A&P, but did have Air Force training so I'd give it a try. I didn't find an exact cause, it started and indicated ok, but just didn't sound right. No Merlin or Ferrari sound. Then an old timer told us the reason that it always sounds to be missing on at least one cylinder.Its a 9 cylinder radial and the firing order is even cylinders on M W F, and odd cylinders on T TH Sat. On Sunday the engine gets very confused and that's where that sound comes from.

FlyingRon
12-29-2019, 08:03 PM
It's the USAF A model that has the funky exhaust. As bill aludes, you here only about half the firings on either side making it sound like it is not running smoothly. The later B/C models (Navy) had a different exhaust system (six stacks rather than four) which gave you a smoother note.

Kyle Boatright
12-29-2019, 08:57 PM
It's the USAF A model that has the funky exhaust. As bill aludes, you here only about half the firings on either side making it sound like it is not running smoothly. The later B/C models (Navy) had a different exhaust system (six stacks rather than four) which gave you a smoother note.

The A version had an R-1300 and the B/C version had the R-1820. I'm guessing the engine change drove the exhaust change and also resulted in the altered exhaust note.

rwanttaja
12-29-2019, 09:30 PM
It's the USAF A model that has the funky exhaust. As bill aludes, you here only about half the firings on either side making it sound like it is not running smoothly. The later B/C models (Navy) had a different exhaust system (six stacks rather than four) which gave you a smoother note.


The A version had an R-1300 and the B/C version had the R-1820. I'm guessing the engine change drove the exhaust change and also resulted in the altered exhaust note.

Seriously, guys, I liked Bill's explanation better.

Ron "That's a First" Wanttaja
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Kyle Boatright
12-29-2019, 10:11 PM
Why can't we "like" posts in this forum?

FlyingRon
12-30-2019, 12:44 PM
The A version had an R-1300 and the B/C version had the R-1820. I'm guessing the engine change drove the exhaust change and also resulted in the altered exhaust note.
I agree, the extra two cylinders mandated a different exhaust, but it's the exhaust that makes the odd noise in the A model.

Bill Greenwood
01-02-2020, 10:27 PM
I can't believe that you used "Bill" and "like" in the same sentence. That's a first.

Bill Greenwood
01-02-2020, 10:37 PM
In a serious mode, here's two actual T-28 stories: I had a friend in Florida, time T-28 owner and he was flying low over a lake near his house at Leeward Air Ranch at Ocala when a goose or other big bird came right through the top part of the canopy and despite him having on a helmet it knocked him unconscious. His wife was in the back seat and while not fully a pilot she was experienced and able to grab the controls and keep it flying. He came to in time to land, fortunately.

My friend an long time EAA co pilot, Maj Warner Giles was in Vietnam and assigned to help instruct the S Vietnam air force who were flying T-28s at the time. The pilots were officers and mostly from the upper classes education wise and economics wise in their society and they didn't want any part of flying at night over the jungle.

rwanttaja
01-03-2020, 02:20 AM
I can't believe that you used "Bill" and "like" in the same sentence. That's a first.

"I like to give Bill a hard time."

Ron "That's twice" Wanttaja

Airmutt
01-03-2020, 10:44 AM
“.....and they didn't want any part of flying at night over the jungle.”

Who in there right mind would?