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Bill Greenwood
11-02-2016, 11:09 AM
One thing I have noticed a lot this year is lots of help wanted ads and notices, just around larger towns. Companies like Target, many restaurants,gas stations, other places that serve the public. Even the local police put out a notice for hiring. These may not all be high paying jobs, but I wasnt seeing these kind of notices a couple of years ago.
Unemployment, no matter how you measure it, as long as your rmethod hasnt changed,, is certainly now better than at the bottom 6 years ago. Its officailly about 5%.
Is this carrying over to aviation? I am not sure, it seems to this casual observer that there is a market for ultra high end corp jets, but just looking at FBOs I am not sure I see more activity in general. I hear a fair number of training flights on the radio. Lower fuel prices are a nice bonus, and I dont see or hear as many complaints about fuel costs in the past.
If one uses attendance at sporting events like football or EAA, as somewhat related to gen economic activielty, likelhood of consumers to spend, then I think EAA was pretty well attended probably not a record and people seem to be going to games, at least the big ones.

But hey, dont get too giddy, bottle water is still $3 at EAA. What a major factor!

1600vw
11-02-2016, 12:24 PM
It seems to me that GA traffic in the air above my airfield has increased. I have been here now a little over 4 years. In that time I would see a few airplanes fly over all summer long. This year we have air traffic almost daily flying over. I am speaking of traffic at 1000-3000'. Seems this air traffic has increased. It's nice to see.

Tony

Floatsflyer
11-02-2016, 03:14 PM
But hey, dont get too giddy, bottle water is still $3 at EAA. What a major factor!

Don't go spreading falsehoods now. The cost of aviation is always sky high but water at Oshkosh is only $2, has been for a few years now.

L16 Pilot
11-02-2016, 08:01 PM
We have a fair amount of aviation activity at our little airport. It's mostly local (fun) type flying. In the past years we've went from less than a dozen to around 35 members. Heck, we even built a new club house for us airport loafers. Community club effort as pretty much all of us helped. The flying club owns the airport property and leases the owners "foot print" at so much a square foot. Basically non-profit operation.

martymayes
11-03-2016, 08:14 AM
Unemployment, no matter how you measure it, as long as your rmethod hasnt changed,, is certainly now better than at the bottom 6 years ago. Its officailly about 5%.

Maybe. If one wades through the voluminous data at the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics), the age group 25-54 (the age where one would normally hold a job) has seen an increase in the number of people who don't want to work and have not looked for a job in the past yr. I believe that's called "dropping out of the labor market" which causes an artificial decrease in unemployment. Perhaps not everyone aspires to a career at Target. Moving on to aviation.....

The FAA doesn't directly track number of hrs flown but they do have data from surveys and such. It looks like GA is still flat lined. More interesting is the FAA forecast for the next 15 yrs through 2036. GA shows only marginal growth overall while the piston fleet is forecast to decrease. LSA is the brightest category, expected to grow by a modest 5% (about .33% per yr?). LSA numbers are so small not sure if that is even statistically significant. Remaining Increases are the turbine and jet segment. Overall, the GA graph is fairly flat. The number of pilots will continue to shrink until 2026, at which point it will reverse and start to trend upward, in 2036 it should be back to 2006 levels. However, when you plot that against the US population growth, the percentage of people who are pilots will continue to decrease. Just think all those people will need a place to live and play soccer, hopefully that doesn't put too much pressure on airport real estate.

The most interesting aspect of FAA forecasting is the UAS segment where sevenfold growth is predicted. Those drone thingys are going to be swarming in the sky like turkey vultures at a fresh roadkill site. And it's the hobby segment where much of the growth will be. I suppose in the future, recreational aviation will consist of a UAS flight followed by uploading a video of the flight to youtube or facebook page. Doesn't that sound exciting?

Dana
11-03-2016, 10:56 AM
I suppose in the future, recreational aviation will consist of a UAS flight followed by uploading a video of the flight to youtube or facebook page. Doesn't that sound exciting?

Future? Already it seems that half the aviation videos on youtube are recordings of flight simulator sessions.

AB9NZ
11-03-2016, 11:16 AM
My thought is that powered paragliding may take off exponentially. I just took some lessons and it's incredibly fun. For me the thought of a brand new backpack bush plane for $8,000 dollars is very enticing.

Dana
11-03-2016, 06:00 PM
My thought is that powered paragliding may take off exponentially.

It already did, 5-10 years ago I think it's been pretty steady since.

martymayes
11-03-2016, 06:30 PM
My thought is that powered paragliding may take off exponentially. I just took some lessons and it's incredibly fun. For me the thought of a brand new backpack bush plane for $8,000 dollars is very enticing.

That's cool - How about a report on your experience? Where did you take your lessons?

AB9NZ
11-04-2016, 05:29 AM
That's cool - How about a report on your experience? Where did you take your lessons?
Thanks for asking. I went to Discover Powered Paragliding near Quincy Illinois. They have a terrific operation at their little aerodrome. I received constant training from my instructors Matt and Mike. When it was too windy to be on the field we worked on the machines, watched training videos, and worked the syllabus. I spent a week there, soloed and did a bit of flying, but I still need to finish out. From the outside it looks kinda like that hang ten base jumping thrill seeker crap, and it certainly can be if you like that kind of stuff, but its also a super S.T.O.L. ship that you can put in the back of a compact car. There is a little two-smoke whine, but mostly you hear the prop chopping through the air like a P-51. Students I trained with included a fella from Australia, a 5,000 hour Pitts pilot, an expert parachutist, an army colonel, a business man and a computer genius. The hangar flying with the instructors and this great bunch of guys was just like the camaraderie of my Air Force basic training many years ago (I'm 55). All in all a very wonderful experience.
Oh, I should mention, with the PPG, especially as a beginner, you are limited to flying when the shadows are long and the air is calm. Hotter wings and lots of experience can broaden the flying conditions, but they still are fair weather machines.

martymayes
11-04-2016, 06:28 AM
Thanks for asking. I went to Discover Powered Paragliding near Quincy Illinois.

Thanks for that - I'll check them out. This past summer at OSH was the first time I really paid attention to the paramotor guys since several were flying at the ultralight strip every day. Plus 2 of them flew in the airshow one afternoon. Not sure if I would like it but the reasons you cited (low cost, minimal storge space) make it an attractive hobby/sport. If nothing else might be something for the bucket list (you and I are about the same age)

Gil
11-04-2016, 09:47 AM
Can't speak for others, but we have been incredibly busy this year. We hired a full time CFI in January and bought a Stearman in the spring - all three of us instructors have been busy all year, and we have even seen several new students start primary training in October. I am part time and have logged more than 300 hours of instruction this year.

lynnlpitts
11-04-2016, 03:45 PM
We were bouncing back at JLN from the General Motors/Congress attack on aviation until the about three years ago when a new tower chief started citing deviations and violations left and right...now, many area pilots will not fly in Joplin for fear of the towers wrath. We never had numbers to support a tower but during an airshow in the early seventies, they did a traffic count and we got one. Those guys were good and whether we goofed or they did we helped each other. Now it's an attitude of "This is MY airport" When I started flying in the sixties we had two major carriers with 14 flights a day and tons of VA students at Mizzou Aviation with a FSS but no tower and no problems. We followed procedure and used manners. Are other small airports with towers having similar difficulties?

Dana
11-04-2016, 05:23 PM
I flew paramotors for about 5 years; it was my return to aviation after not flying for 20 years... about the most fun I've had in the air. Although it looks extreme sport insane, it's actually slow and relaxing. It's very much a social sport, two or five or ten guys all flying together, make a short flight, hang out and watch the others fly, fly again, rinse and repeat until it gets dark, then have a beer or two before going home. Because they're so slow (20 mph) you don't often actually go anywhere; you just crank and bank at low altitudes close to the field, slalom between trees, drag your feet in the grass... all the things that would be dangerous (and illegal) in an airplane. But you either need several places to fly in rotation, or an airport where the noise doesn't matter, because while neighbors are greatly entertained at first, the 2 stroke whine gets annoying if it becomes a constant thing.

We had a bunch flying out of Griswold Airport in CT. For awhile it was just like the crazy glory days of ultralights in the early 1980s. After the airport closed the local PPG scene fragmented, and the pilots (about half of whom were also airplane pilots) drifted on to other things.