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Wundrdawg
09-21-2012, 08:53 AM
Am I the only one who is concerned that the person winning the J3 Cub and his association with AirVenture's may not be kosher. The winner, Jeff Parnu, is The editor-in-chief of the World Airshow News magazine which is also based in East Troy, Wisconsin. I hope that the EAA administered this drawing properly however it certainly does look suspect.

RickFE
09-21-2012, 12:02 PM
What would the EAA have to gain by being dishonest. I think Jeff is just one lucky winner.

Grrrrrr....shoulda been me:( <===that part is just a joke in case it escapes anyone.

Rick
(the wanna be J3 owner)

Floatsflyer
09-21-2012, 01:14 PM
Wundrdawg, I see this is your first post. What may not be "kosher" is to engage us with conspiracy theory for a simple long standing raffle right off the bat as a first post. As Rick said what is to be gained or advantaged by EAA in rigging a RAFFLE. PULEEEESE!!! It is mere unadulterated coincidence that the winner is in an aviation business and happens to live in Wisconsin......and so what of it! What do you think the odds might be that some members of EAA or some of the 600,000 people who attend Oshkosh might be in an aviation business within an aviation environment/organization?? DUHHHH!! And even based in Wisconsin I dare say!

Yes, I do believe you could be the only one!!

Bill
09-21-2012, 02:46 PM
... it certainly does look suspect.

In 1993 and 1994, the Tourism Research and Resource Center, University of Wisconsin Extension, surveyed visitors to the EAA Air Adventure Museum on behalf of EAA. Not surprisingly, they found that 55 percent of the visitors to the Museum were from Wisconsin.

Attendance at AirVenture probably won't be as disproportionally weighted toward Wisconsin Cheese Heads as Museum attendance, but I expect that it will still be highly disproportionate. So the likelihood of a Cheese Head winning the raffle has a higher probability than a resident of any other state winning (unless they put a judicious amount of stickum on their raffle ticket).

I suggest moving to Wisconsin to improve your odds:rollseyes:.

Check 6
09-21-2012, 04:29 PM
Pretty tacky first post.

Jeff Point
09-21-2012, 04:38 PM
I hear the next year's raffle plane will be a black helicopter. Anyone else heard this?

Seriously, there are two Jeff P.s at East Troy. One of them won the Cub, the other is typing this post. So close! Oh well, the good news is that the other Jeff is planning to out it on the line at his flight school, so I'll at least have a chance to get checked out and fly it.

So close!

Flyfalcons
09-21-2012, 06:06 PM
What a stupid accusation by the original poster.

Jim Heffelfinger
09-21-2012, 06:28 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to insult the man's intellectual capacity but I do offer this.......perhaps that will enlighten all of us.
http://bcove.me/c8pk46zn

Mayhemxpc
09-26-2012, 11:55 AM
Ahhh...

My wife said that she didn't want me to win the airplane anyway....

WingsAloft
10-09-2012, 10:53 AM
I, for one, think that Jeff's winning the cub is PROOF positive that this drawing is indeed random! Glad you got the plane, Jeff!

WingsAloft
10-09-2012, 10:56 AM
...okay, I'm jealous!

WingsAloft
10-09-2012, 11:03 AM
Am I the only one who is concerned... I hope that the EAA administered this drawing properly however it certainly does look suspect.
No, you're not the only one who wonders, and, no, that is not a stupid post, and NO, you are not a conspiracy theorist! Well, if you are, then I am as well. Welcome to the forum!

WingsAloft
10-09-2012, 11:10 AM
For the record, I don't suspect any maleficience. But I strongly believe dissenters should be treated rationally, instead of slapping the perjorative of "conspiracy theorist", whatever on earth THAT means...

martymayes
10-09-2012, 11:57 AM
In 1993 and 1994, the Tourism Research and Resource Center, University of Wisconsin Extension, surveyed visitors to the EAA Air Adventure Museum on behalf of EAA. Not surprisingly, they found that 55 percent of the visitors to the Museum were from Wisconsin.

Attendance at AirVenture probably won't be as disproportionally weighted toward Wisconsin Cheese Heads as Museum attendance, but I expect that it will still be highly disproportionate. So the likelihood of a Cheese Head winning the raffle has a higher probability than a resident of any other state winning (unless they put a judicious amount of stickum on their raffle ticket).

I suggest moving to Wisconsin to improve your odds:rollseyes:.


They accept entries from all over the world and you don't have to be present to win. I don't see how being a Wisconsin resident improves one's odds at all.

Floatsflyer
10-09-2012, 07:55 PM
For the record, I don't suspect any maleficience. But I strongly believe dissenters should be treated rationally, instead of slapping the perjorative of "conspiracy theorist", whatever on earth THAT means...


A dissenting opinion will only be treated with respect when the rationale is supported by cogent evidence and intelligent thought rather than "I gotta feelin 'bout sumtin." Ya know like judges opinions. I don't give a s**t about how you feel, tell me what you think and why.

WingsAloft
10-10-2012, 08:17 AM
A dissenting opinion will only be treated with respect when the rationale is supported by cogent evidence and intelligent thought...
...which is the plattitude and the by-line of those establishments opposed to free thought and divergence from the Establishment, whether it be in politics, science, medicine, academia---you'd be surprised.

WingsAloft
10-10-2012, 08:33 AM
Also, as I have found out painfully enough on several popular political, scientific, a/theism and religion forums, there is no definition of "intelligent thought" other than just whatever sifts through one's ideological sieve. For an example, if you ever wonder whether something is intelligent or not---well---just bring it to me! I'm sure I could solve the mystery for you! But, as you can see, that is only my OWN feelings and opinion at work. My own faulty, my own flawed, human psychy. The same ​error-prone human system I must keep in check in the flight deck.

WingsAloft
10-10-2012, 08:36 AM
Same with "cogent argument". HA! What an absurd presumption. Do you want to know what an argument is, after it's all said and done? A feelin' 'bout sompthin'!

Green Goggles
10-10-2012, 11:37 AM
100 of those 893,000 entries had my name on them.

I liked my odds! But I guess it wasn't meant to be. :-(



I don't suspent any fraud at all. Now, if I don't win next year....