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lkorona
08-01-2012, 12:46 PM
23262325After spending a whole week at Oshkosh, and reading over the various threads here about what’s wrong with AV, I’ll like to share a few thoughts.
I have read the various gripes and complaints (everything from the high price of water to the ticket costs to the lamenting of how AV has drifted away from its roots. Bottom line, I don’t know any other place in the world where I can bring my family (wife and 8 year old daughter) and do/see the things that we did. An event of this size will always have some issues, and having been held for so many years, will have changes. That’s just a fact of life. Hopefully the issues are small, and the changes are ultimately for the better. But that’s a judgment call, with everyone reserving the right to differ.
For my family the only other way to spend a week like we did would be a trip to the Big Mouse (Disney), which I know is not at all aviation related, but is a fair comparison for a family trip. I feel for value of each $ spent, a week at AV comes out on top. Ticket prices, food, and yes water prices charged are in line with what other venues ask for. For the most part we had our own water and some food, try doing that on the Big Mouse’s turf. You would not even get passed the gate carrying stuff on site.
One big highlight for us was Kid Venture, this was my daughter’s first time to AV, and she had a blast learning about all things aviation. Her favorite activity was making the propeller at Kid Venture. As an 8-year old she knows more about aviation then most adults. What will the Big Mouse teach my daughter, how to be a Princess?
Let’s be reflective on what we have, and what the world of GA would be without EAA. Not to say that all is perfect, but let’s see the forest from the trees. Let’s focus on what’s right (big list starting with Kid Venture) and keep working to maintain that level of excellence.
As for the chalets and other “high roller” venues, name any activity that does not have economic separation/categorization as part of their business plan. The key is, can the organization have this separation without disenfranchising part of the population. I think EAA has been able to do this. I for one would not even had noticed the chalets on the field if I had not read the forum traffic. I am well aquatinted that the museum closed early on Thursday, and that the Eagle Hanger is off limits for the “Gathering of Eagles” event. Am I upset that I have been excluded from this area because I don’t want to pay the price of admission? No, because this is no different from other experiences in life, i.e. First Class Vs Coach, and so forth. I’m glad that people with means are willing to donate to support EAA programs that my family and I can take advantage of.
Let’s look at the big picture: I’m fortunate to be able to fly and afford my own plane to the event. I’m fortunate to have an event like AV that let’s my daughter learn about aviation. We need young people like her to get excited about flying, and AV does just that.

mazdaP5
08-01-2012, 01:24 PM
She looks really happy, that's worth every penny. I have a great time at airventure, have been going since I was just a kid, and it always seems to have something to keep me coming back.

FlyingRon
08-01-2012, 02:30 PM
It's a shame that EAA scaled back some of the Kid's activities this year over petty stuff. Glad there was still enough to please your kid.

Chris In Marshfield
08-01-2012, 02:54 PM
My son thought it was cool that he could get a tool kit of his choice after completing the "A&P Program". He went to town on that propeller, and did a fine job with it! It was also fun that he caught the guy teaching electrical troubleshooting off his guard while going through the troubleshooting steps and made a mistake. *Those* are memorable events!

~Chris

Mayhemxpc
08-01-2012, 04:08 PM
Strong support of all of the above. (Although I could say that staying in a Disney Hotel is a LOT better than camping in Scholler.) Didn't notice KidVenture being scaled back. It provided at least two full days of activity for all three of my sons, to include the "too cool" teenager. I was almost frightened to see how my 10 year old got so enthused about tearing down the engine. I felt I had to warn him not to try that at home! And, yes, they were so proud of their tool sets. (Maybe they will let me play with them.)

Wilfred
08-01-2012, 04:21 PM
Due to spouse health I have not been able to attend OSH for the past few years. Could someone explain what the 'chalet' thing is? It sounds as if it was some sort of enclosure for VIPs...how could a regular EAA member get it? Or is it even possible? What is the background on this?

Chris In Marshfield
08-01-2012, 04:39 PM
Not a big thing. Big air conditioned tents that you could pay money to get into to watch the airshows and what-not. Anybody could get in, as I understand it. So insignificant that I've already forgotten about it.

~Chris

martymayes
08-01-2012, 05:04 PM
Could someone explain what the 'chalet' thing is? It sounds as if it was some sort of enclosure for VIPs...how could a regular EAA member get it? Or is it even possible? Sure, you can get one for the whole week at the member's only rate of $40,000.00. Sign up now, the waiting list is growing fast!

P Frey
08-01-2012, 11:53 PM
That's real nice, thanks for putting it in perspective. Good to hear a positive report.

lkorona
08-02-2012, 07:22 AM
It's a shame that EAA scaled back some of the Kid's activities this year over petty stuff. Glad there was still enough to please your kid.

Don't know what "scaled back" means. We had more activities availiable than we had time to do them all. Afterall AV is only for one week, and while we attended jsut about the whole week, we ran out of time.

A case of the glass half empty or half full?

FlyingRon - you need to step back and see just how wonderful Kid Venture is, not focus just on the negative. What other event, staffed by mainly volunteers offers such quality? Plus comes with no other expense other than the cost of the general admission?
Many thanks to all the volunteers that man the booths and tackle the challenges of putting on such a huge event. When you consider the logistics involved with getting just one of the many venues offered at AV each year off the ground from a cold start, I’m so impressed!

Chad Jensen
08-02-2012, 09:06 AM
Sure, you can get one for the whole week at the member's only rate of $40,000.00. Sign up now, the waiting list is growing fast!
EAA's chalet, the Aviator's Club, is open to any and all EAA members...not for $40k, and certainly not what I would call cheap at $125/day or $700 for the week, but it was available to you if you wanted to enjoy some great food, AC, and great people...yes, regular people that flew in to the show spent time there...even homebuilders!

The point of this thread, though, is the kids that enjoyed KidVenture, and I haven't heard of anything but praise for that area this year. I didn't get time to visit, but from everyone that did, I hear great things, and the pictures prove that! Very cool. :cool:

Dave Stadt
08-02-2012, 11:25 AM
Thanks from me and the 400+ KidVenture volunteers for the comments regarding KidVenture. We did reduce the number of activities this year for several reasons with $$$$ being one of them. Our goal is to expose and educate kids on as many facets of aviation as possible. As you know, aviation isn't all about being a pilot. We could not do what we have done the past couple of years without the people and money resources from United Technology, the FAA and several of other donors. Despite having a major goal of introducing people of all ages to aviation, EAA contributed little to no dollars to KidVenture. Note that the bounce things east of the Vette hangar had absolutely nothing to do with KidVenture. Despite our objections EAA went ahead with them and it resulted in one kid being taken to the hospital.

Dave Stadt
KidVenture Vice Chairman

Mayhemxpc
08-02-2012, 12:26 PM
So, just to be sure that I understand... The greatest family firendly event, contributing to interest in the future of aviation, didn't cost participants anything (in fact, if completed they GOT things to take with them) and did so without any support from the money collected by all the things people are complaining about. Further, the only "contribution" from EAA sent a kid to the hospital. Hmmm....

This seems to remind me of other organizations we unwillingly contribute to.

In any case, I didn't know about the stand-alone nature of KidVenture and I am even more appreciative than before -- and I was already VERY appreciative.

CarlOrton
08-02-2012, 03:22 PM
snip. Note that the bounce things east of the Vette hangar had absolutely nothing to do with KidVenture. Despite our objections EAA went ahead with them and it resulted in one kid being taken to the hospital.

Dave Stadt
KidVenture Vice Chairman
I read about the bounce houses being part of KidVenture - the evening after a Chapters meeting where chapter do's and don'ts were discussed. "Bounce houses" are specifically excluded from EAA insurance coverage for Chapter events. I was thinking, "Gee, they tell us *we* can't have 'em at our events, but then they go ahead and set 'em up here...."

Paul Hayden
08-02-2012, 03:51 PM
Dave,
I think Discovery World would still be interested in helping add to the 2013 line up with a themed project and at no cost to Kidventure. Let us know how we can get the ball rolling. I think there may have been some confusion around this year, I'd llike to help straighten it out as I think we have common goals.

Burtles
08-02-2012, 10:57 PM
I read about the bounce houses being part of KidVenture - the evening after a Chapters meeting where chapter do's and don'ts were discussed. "Bounce houses" are specifically excluded from EAA insurance coverage for Chapter events. I was thinking, "Gee, they tell us *we* can't have 'em at our events, but then they go ahead and set 'em up here...."

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

Seriously, the post from the KidVenture volunteer is very interesting.

Mayhemxpc
08-04-2012, 01:13 PM
There was one more thing I wanted to mention, looking at the big picture. The real reason I come is to spend time with my friends. Those I know, but may only see at OSH, and the thousands more who I have not met yet. Sitting down for a break and starting conversations of intense mutual interest with people you have never seen before in your life...and may never see again. On the other hand, you just may start seeing them again every year and picking up right where you left off. Oh, there are the jerks. Every family has them. Unlike family, you can choose to ignore them and just remember the thousands of good people, volunteers, pilots of all types, and aviation enthusiasts. Sharing ideas, stories, and bringing the excitement of aviation back to life. Isn't that what it is all about?