Canards in turbulence

[Tom Downey]

What's the difference in flight from the typical light civil ? How much weather will they take, rain Ice Etc.

[steveinindy]

Your question is very vague since the handling characteristics are going to depend upon the specific configuration. If they aren't certified to fly into icing, then you have no business being there. To be quite honest, there really isn't a single engine light plane I would fly into anything beyond very mild icing. There's nothing we do in GA that is important enough to chance it instead of waiting for it to pass.

[Mike Switzer]

Tom - from what I understand turbulence isn't any more of a problem than in any other light aircraft.

I seem to remember that the original airfoil design used for the canard on the Long EZ did have a problem with losing a lot of lift in the rain, the Roncz canard is supposed to fix that issue.

[martymayes]

Tom, they have a few idiosycracies but then all airplanes do. So you just get the proper training and pay attention. I don't think it's something I would want for hard IFR flying and like any non-equipped airplane, structural icing is an emergency situation requiring immediate action.

[Tom Downey]

Tom, they have a few idiosycracies but then all airplanes do. So you just get the proper training and pay attention. I don't think it's something I would want for hard IFR flying and like any non-equipped airplane, structural icing is an emergency situation requiring immediate action.Some aircraft are more tolerant of a little ice, and allow you more time to get out of it, how would you rate the canards. Will a little light ice cause you to come out of the sky like a lawn dart? or will you have time to safely retreat?

[Tom Downey]

I've created a log in at EZ.org, but it never allows me to log in again or post.

[slk23]

I built and fly a VariEze and I can tell you that it handles turbulence quite well. I think that's due to the relatively high wing loading and something about sitting between the two wings (the canard contributes ~25% of the total lift). Anyway, it's a lot more comfortable in turbulence than the Cessna, Beech, and Piper light planes I've flown.

Canard contamination from ice or even a heavy layer of bugs can cause a strong pitch force that may be more than the trim system can compensate for. Not a comfortable situation but the airplane isn't going to fall out of the sky. I've flown in rain and the pitch change is obvious but easily trimmed out.

[Mike Switzer]

I've created a log in at EZ.org, but it never allows me to log in again or post.

Similar thing happened to me, I tried a couple times over the last few years, it said I had an account but my posts never showed up & nobody ever replied to my PMs.

[Hal Bryan]

They can run their forum however they like, of course, but on this one, everyone's opinion is welcome. You and Mike are both valuable contributors here - enough said.

[Mike Switzer]

I'm guessing someone noticed you have a need to post on every subject and that's not what that forum is all about. It's about those who ask of those who know without all the chatter and theories on every subject. There are other canard forums for that and mostly frequented by the wannabees and forever builders. The experts mostly ignore them. Sorry, it just gets annoying to some of us looking for a real exchange of information less all the unsolicited opinions from forum junkies.

Say what??? I have never posted on that forum, as I was unable to get access. As to posting on every subject, I don't know what generated that comment as I generally keep to the homebuiding & maintenance sections here.

[Tom Downey]

Hal,
Do you call this "valuable".....?

Who should actually make that decision?

[flyingriki]

Never mind Tom, you're on your own.

[Mike Switzer]

Riki - One tractor mechanic I use has rebuilt the mags for many experimental aircraft. He has been servicing these mags for 50 or 60 years and they work just fine when he is done with them. The mags on an aircraft engine are the same ones that were used on most tractors in the 30s, 40s, & 50s.

[Tom Downey]

Never mind Tom, you're on your own.

Some times the simple questions expose attitudes. simply remember this is the internet, if it means some thing to you use it as you wish, if it doesn't, ignore it.
Being tolerant of others is a sign of maturity.

[flyingriki]

Being tolerant of others is a sign of maturity.

Yeah right Tom, you go build a canard in tube and fabric and have the local Caterpillar grease monkey do your ignition system and I'll feel really mature watching you do it without comment -right.
This is sad Hal - I don't care how you can spin it.

[Tom Downey]

Yeah right Tom, you go build a canard in tube and fabric and have the local Caterpillar grease monkey do your ignition system and I'll feel really mature watching you do it without comment -right.
This is sad Hal - I don't care how you can spin it.

I'm an A&P-IA I'll not build any thing until I'm sure of what I am doing. I don't know where the hostility comes from, but it really doesn't belong here. This is every bodies web page and all information I can get here the better I am. I started this thread to gain information.
I know that you own and fly a EZ but what have you really contributed to the thread? First you tell me to go to a web page that is not attended enough to get a password approved, then you criticize others for not contributing any thing useful.

[steveinindy]

Being tolerant of others is a sign of maturity.

Not always. I know some really immature people who simply lack spines so they try to paint themselves as tolerant. However, I will agree that I have no problem with you so I'll assume in your case that it's a sign of maturity and intellect. :)

[Mike Switzer]

I don't know where the hostility comes from, but it really doesn't belong here.

Evidently the fact that I would rather weld tube than smear epoxy makes me an Idiot.

Well, the state of Illinois says I have a Professional Engineer license, I think I am qualified to design a structure.

[Tom Downey]

I believe this thread has gone far enough, just let it go away.
For those who gave good advice, Thanks.

[Hal Bryan]

Agreed - time to let it go.