I think many of you are reading far too much into the requirements.

Quote Originally Posted by CraigCantwell View Post
we are now less than 90 days from the implementation of the policy and there hasn't been a peep out of them yet, despite all the problems and concerns the membership has voiced.
Agree completely. EAA HQ leaders should be involved in this dialog, should be announcing changes (deletion of the SSN requirement was not announced...what other changes have we missed?), should be holding webinars, and lots of other proactive discussions. We have certainly lost confidence in their leadership!

"Two-deep leadership" and "staff-to-youth ratio" are two totally separate things, both included under the general topic of "Supervision." (If I'm not interpreting the policy correctly, EAA leadership should be here straightening out the misconceptions.)

"Staff-to-youth ratio" has nothing to do with training and background checks. It means you must have 2 adults for every 10 kids under 13. Those adults can be one-time volunteers. If I have a group coming together (a school class, scout group, club, etc.), I would expect some adults (parents, teachers, group leaders, etc.) to be driving the cars that got them there and I expect those adults to be providing some supervision of their group. If I meet them and explain the process, procedures, limitations, and restrictions to the adult leaders, I will count those adult leaders as part of my 2 for 10 staff-to-youth ratio. However, I fully expect to have other EAA members present to help them and those other members may, or may not, need to be trained depending on their frequency and duration of volunteer duty.

Now you need 2 roving supervisors. They are not allowed to do anything else per the policy.
Not true! "Two-deep leadership," according to the policy, means that a minimum of 2 adults who have completed the EAA process will be in attendance as supervisors at all times. It does not say they are not allowed to do anything else. It simply says they must be "present and actively circulating through the areas." I can still help a parent fill out a form and escort some kids out to an aircraft as I am "actively circulating" around the area. I don't have to just stand and watch and do nothing.

I also don't see that it says anywhere that your two trained supervisors have to be the two same people only doing that all day. In fact, I interpret it to allow much flexibility. It even specifically says, "For chapter Young Eagles rallies" the supervisors "may include Young Eagles pilots on the ground." If I've got multiple pilots, as long as I have one of them on the ground meandering around between trips, I've got one of my two supervisors.

If we use any 4 seat aircraft, it's 2 people to get them to and from the plane.
Why does it take 2 unless your taking them totally out of site of everyone else? You should be visible by the pilot at the aircraft and other people on the ramp. And, they don't have to be trained and cleared!

Until national actually says anything different and puts it in writing, you have to read the policy in worst case form.
No I don't. We're supposed to be mature adults with common sense. If I'm smart enough to be pilot-in-command making life-or-death safety decisions, I should be able to interpret and implement a written policy without a lot of additional written guidance to interpret the written guidance. (Granted, it would be a whole lot simpler if they would have provided some examples and would be here involved in the discussions.)

After more thought, I'm convinced you could run a rally for 100 kids, with only 2 trained and cleared members (not including the pilots who must also be trained and cleared.) All the other volunteers could be people who are doing it less than 4 times a year and less than 4 hours at a time.

EAA STAFF, WHERE ARE YOU?