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    To the EAA - it's OK if you have to cancel AirVenture 2020

    NO, it sure as heck would not be "good" for all of us who do so dearly love the event, but AirVenture IS afterall an international event and right now we are ALL in the midst of a relatively long-term global/international Covid-19 public health CRISIS that may well not self-resolve in 120 days.

    I am by NO means a panic monger. I have had enough 'medical' training to know that 80%+ of folks either won't get infected at all or won't suffer any long lasting negative outcomes and that under 5% of those already in poor health who could contract Covid-19 might in fact die from it. But I for one, and I can only speak for myself, completely understand why the powers that be at EAA HQ could indeed reach the monumental and severe decision to cancel this year... and I wouldn't hold a grudge at all. I would just look forward to attending and once again volunteering to conduct on the trams in 2021.

    Considering how many panic buying/hoarding idiot lunkheads there seem to be in the general population, I wonder out loud if the AirVenture porta-potty folks can even supply enough TP and hand sanitizer to replenish all the units in Oshkosh come July.

    NOTE - I am NOT asking EAA to cancel AirVenture 2020, I have plans to go and a motel room all reserved since last year. I am just saying that IF they conclude that for the general welfare of all involved it 'should' be deferred, it's OK. I get it. We will endure and persevere and come back all that much stronger next time.

    That's MY one lone opinion anyway. See what happens when you're a retiree and they close all the casinos, impose shelter-in-home Statewide executive orders and you're forced to listen to the voices in your head? - LOL
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    Are you aware that EAA has publicly acknowledged that they have already cancelled some local events and flight operations in order to exercise social distancing? Are you aware that EAA stated just a few days ago that they have SHUT DOWN the Museum and Headquarters in Oshkosh until March 31 in accordance with state and federal guidance regarding COVID-19 transmission. They will revisit at that time. Are you aware they told the staff to go home and work from home?

    Does it not seem logical and pragmatic that the next shoe to drop will be AV Oshkosh despite the unfortunate fact that EAA has not said one word on the subject or offered any guidance to the membership.

    ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IS THIS: The Governor of Wisconsin set out an emergency order late last week that prohibits public gatherings of more than 10 people. I've been going to OSH for a few decades so I'm pretty, pretty sure that AV Oshkosh would fall into that prohibition.

    And despite ALL of the above, today I received an email from EAA to buy 2020 AV T-shirts on line as if it will be a collectors item if cancelled. Oh, the irony, oh, the horror! Oh, the comedy of errors. Here's a T-Shirt they should consider:

    EAA AIRVENTURE OSHKOSH 2020

    THE FUN IS CONTAGEOUS

    Randy, I have an assignment for you. Get in touch with Jack Pelton and ask him if EAA Org and/or EAA Foundation has Business Disruption Insurance not cancelled or subject to Force Majeur in their overall Insurance Packge. I'm betting the answer is yes as large organizations and corporate entities with lots to lose do have it.

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    My thread is a but a thought exercise. Of course I am 'aware' of the situation to date. I felt the personal need to make the post about the 100 ton elephant in this forum room. lol
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    I don't think a week long airshow is worth gambling my/your life on.

    Is EAA willing to refund all pre-show ticket sales ?

    An interactive web-based dashboard to track COVID-19 in real time.
    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6

    Here is another real-time Covid-19 Dashboard.
    https://ncov2019.live
    The Map link on top of the page is more useful, it tells you where and the
    number of cases are within the States. (click on the round balls, the Diamond shape: Cities with deaths )

    This 2nd Dashboard was built by a 17 year old teenager.
    https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/...ear_old_behind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Floatsflyer View Post
    Are you aware that EAA has publicly acknowledged that they have already cancelled some local events and flight operations in order to exercise social distancing? Are you aware that EAA stated just a few days ago that they have SHUT DOWN the Museum and Headquarters in Oshkosh until March 31 in accordance with state and federal guidance regarding COVID-19 transmission. They will revisit at that time. Are you aware they told the staff to go home and work from home?

    Does it not seem logical and pragmatic that the next shoe to drop will be AV Oshkosh despite the unfortunate fact that EAA has not said one word on the subject or offered any guidance to the membership.

    ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IS THIS: The Governor of Wisconsin set out an emergency order late last week that prohibits public gatherings of more than 10 people. I've been going to OSH for a few decades so I'm pretty, pretty sure that AV Oshkosh would fall into that prohibition.

    And despite ALL of the above, today I received an email from EAA to buy 2020 AV T-shirts on line as if it will be a collectors item if cancelled. Oh, the irony, oh, the horror! Oh, the comedy of errors. Here's a T-Shirt they should consider:

    EAA AIRVENTURE OSHKOSH 2020

    THE FUN IS CONTAGEOUS

    Randy, I have an assignment for you. Get in touch with Jack Pelton and ask him if EAA Org and/or EAA Foundation has Business Disruption Insurance not cancelled or subject to Force Majeur in their overall Insurance Packge. I'm betting the answer is yes as large organizations and corporate entities with lots to lose do have it.
    I, too, received the email which was offering for sale the 2020 Airventure T-shirts. I was gob-smacked.

    What are they thinking? Are they thinking...?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeP View Post
    I, too, received the email which was offering for sale the 2020 Airventure T-shirts. I was gob-smacked.
    Dude...do you realize how much those will be worth if they cancel Airventure 2020?????!!!

    Ron "Might as well invest, all my stocks have tanked" Wanttaja

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeP View Post
    I, too, received the email which was offering for sale the 2020 Airventure T-shirts. I was gob-smacked.

    What are they thinking? Are they thinking...?!
    I thought it was funny as heck. I just wish the SOS brothers would introduce a BeerVirusVenture T-shirt...

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    Floats, I know my business interruption insurance does NOT cover COVID-19. And the Loss of Rents coverage on income properties does not cover rent reductions / waives caused by medical crisis'. Air Venture might be a big enough insurance buyer to force a carrier to issue cancellation coverage that covers this kind of crisis, but according to my agent NO insurance covers this kind of scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirota View Post
    Floats, I know my business interruption insurance does NOT cover COVID-19. And the Loss of Rents coverage on income properties does not cover rent reductions / waives caused by medical crisis'. Air Venture might be a big enough insurance buyer to force a carrier to issue cancellation coverage that covers this kind of crisis, but according to my agent NO insurance covers this kind of scenario.
    Sirota, I'm sure your agent is totally correct when he tells you this but as you said EAA "may" be big enough and major crisis averse enough to negotiate coverage that covers an eventuality like this and other "naturally occurring" risks. This would also require the amending of the Force Majeur clause. When it comes to insurance coverage negotiation, premium costs are inextricably linked to your tolerance for risk. If an entity is willing to pay the price, almost anything is coverable.

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    I found this in an article dated 2011. Note medical epidemic and curtailment of transportation are mentioned.

    Determining which types of circumstances will be covered by the force majeure clause is essential. Provisions often cover natural disasters like hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, and weather disturbances sometimes referred to as "acts of God." Other covered events may include war, terrorism or threats of terrorism, civil disorder, labor strikes or disruptions, fire, disease or medical epidemics or outbreaks, and curtailment of transportation facilities preventing or delaying attendance by at least twenty-five percent of meeting participants.
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