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    Improving Pedestrian Traffic Flow, North Aircraft Display Exhibit Area

    East of KNAPP ST and north of GALATIN AVE.
    There is a lack of east/west pedestrian walkways.
    The next nearest east/west street north of GALATIN AVE. is AUDREY ST.
    which is the street that is located on the north side of fighter town USA.

    During the week of AirVenture the P-1 Taxiway is used for taxiing airplanes and
    cannot be used as a pedestrian walkway. Also the intersecting roads that cross
    the P-1 taxiway are periodically closed and cannot be crossed do to airplane traffic.

    My suggestion to correct the issue is to construct a walkway or access road on the south side of
    P-1 taxiway. The new sidewalk would run from KNAPP ST to WITTMAN RD. Parallel to the P-1 taxiway.

    With a new walkway constructed at the north end of the north aircraft display exhibit area,
    pedestrian traffic would be able to circle around to the other exhibits on CORRIGAN LN. or
    continue on to EDDIE RD, Subway and KNAPP ST.

    When the P-1 Taxiway intersecting roads are periodically closed, pedestrians (Rail Birds) could take photos,
    from the walkway, of aircraft that are taxiing on the P-1 Taxiway.

    The new walkway should be named, WRONGWAY FELDMAN WALKWAY.

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    Even better would be to call it Wrongway Feldman Multi-use Path and add bicycle parking at both ends.

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    Most of the pedestrian traffic I've seen is trying to get to Warbirds or the North 40? Perhaps moving your proposed pathway South to bisect the area from P1 to Brugger Abe and onward West to Knapp would be more beneficial? I dunno. Just a thunk on a rainy Chicago Monday.

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    Nice presentation, WF.

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    I handle aircraft parking in this area so I spend most of my Oshkosh right there. 99% of foot traffic in the area is north-south, not east-west. There is already a pedestrian walkway south of P-1 (albeit grass) that serves the purpose. Plus all of the taxiing aircraft would have to taxi over the grass-asphalt-grass transition, risking damage.

    To me me it seems like a solution in search of a problem.
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    I appreciate all of your thought about this. I am concerned, however, that it would present multiple opportunities for the unobservant pedestrians (or observing other things, like airplanes i the sky or somewhere else) to wander into the path of a taxing airplanes. Many Oshkosh attendees are not noted for walking only on the pedestrian pathways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Point View Post
    I handle aircraft parking in this area so I spend most of my Oshkosh right there. 99% of foot traffic in the area is north-south, not east-west. There is already a pedestrian walkway south of P-1 (albeit grass) that serves the purpose. Plus all of the taxiing aircraft would have to taxi over the grass-asphalt-grass transition, risking damage.

    To me me it seems like a solution in search of a problem.
    I was gonna say sort of the same thing. Other than the folks in homebuilt camping, I don't see much demand for E/W traffic at that point. And those of us in HBC are pretty good at broken field running (or walking, as it were) to get back to our campsites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Point View Post
    I handle aircraft parking in this area so I spend most of my Oshkosh right there. 99% of foot traffic in the area is north-south, not east-west. There is already a pedestrian walkway south of P-1 (albeit grass) that serves the purpose. Plus all of the taxiing aircraft would have to taxi over the grass-asphalt-grass transition, risking damage.

    To me me it seems like a solution in search of a problem.
    The main point I was trying to convey was:
    "There is a lack of east/west pedestrian walkways or hard surfaces to walk or travel on" from GALATIN AVE to the P-1 taxiway.
    It is 1050 feet from GALATIN AVE to the P-1 taxiway.
    In that 1050' span there is no east/west hard surface to easily walk from KNAPP ST to WITTMAN RD. or vice versa.
    P-1 is for taxing planes only, so that means you have to go north another 500' to AUDREY ST. to find a hard surface to travel east..
    Especially if you are handicap. Personal Disability Mobility Devices don't run well in grass.
    It makes absolutely no sense to have to travel 1500 feet to be able to go east on a hard surface.

    How much force do you think is applied to the landing gear when its landing?
    If your plane's landing gear can't handle a few bumps, I'd be afraid to land it on a runway.
    The grass isn't completely bump free ether.
    Over at vintage, planes are crossing asphalt all week long.
    Homebuilt's are parking in that area and those planes are light weight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhemxpc View Post
    I appreciate all of your thought about this. I am concerned, however, that it would present multiple opportunities for the unobservant pedestrians (or observing other things, like airplanes i the sky or somewhere else) to wander into the path of a taxing airplanes. Many Oshkosh attendees are not noted for walking only on the pedestrian pathways.
    On both sides of the P-1 taxiway there are snow fences with flag rope connecting
    the openings and they are guarded by volunteers and the Civil Air Patrol cadets.
    I have never heard of a EAAer wander into the path of a taxing airplane. Ever!
    Planes do not move on the EAA grounds without a grounds crew escort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Boatright View Post
    I was gonna say sort of the same thing. Other than the folks in homebuilt camping, I don't see much demand for E/W traffic at that point. And those of us in HBC are pretty good at broken field running (or walking, as it were) to get back to our campsites.
    That's how I thought until my body became defective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrongway Feldman View Post
    Over at vintage, planes are crossing asphalt all week long.
    Homebuilt's are parking in that area and those planes are light weight.
    Most of the planes down in Vintage were designed to operate on grass anyway. With homebuilts I'm more concerned about small nose wheels, prop strikes and fairing damage happening. I've seen it happen all too often.

    In any event, while not a paved road, there is a good gravel path the runs E-W about halfway between P-1 and Galatin, through the forums. This path is conducive to walking or to mobility scooters and is already in place. That might meet your needs.
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