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    Need advice, considering buying a nearly complete project from canadian builder/owner

    Hi everyone,

    I have found a home built aircraft located in Canada that I would like to purchase and complete. I do not believe it was ever registered with the TCCA. The builder has logs "from day 1" including photographs of the build. He is an engineer and aviation mechanic (cant remember what they call it in canada, basically an A&P).

    It seems there are a lot of potential obstacles to successfully importing and getting it registered in the states. I am not sure if it is even possible or not.

    I am hoping that it will be possible to get it here and eventually finish it and get a special airworthiness certificate.

    I currently own a Glider with an experimental airworthiness certificate. It however is for 'exhibition and air racing" with a limit on range flown from home base without prior written notice to the FAA. I would not want this aircraft to have such limitations as I would like to use it to travel. I have heard this can be difficult when buying an unfinished project with a lot of the work already performed.

    I plan on contacting the FAA to see what they have to say.

    Does anyone have any experience with a similar situation? If anyone has any advice on this I would really appreciate it. This is an aircraft I have been fascinated by my entire life and would love to own and fly one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austintatious View Post
    I have found a home built aircraft located in Canada that I would like to purchase and complete. I do not believe it was ever registered with the TCCA.
    If you are correct that it was never registered and has no airworthiness certificate (or the Canadian equivalent) then you're not purchasing an aircraft. You'd be purchasing a bunch of aircraft parts and supplies, in some arbitrary state of assemblage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Austintatious View Post
    It seems there are a lot of potential obstacles to successfully importing and getting it registered in the states. I am not sure if it is even possible or not.
    I can't imagine what potential obstacles there could be to bringing a bunch of aircraft parts into the US from Canada and eventually getting an AC and registering it. There is no reason that it shouldn't be possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Austintatious View Post
    I have heard this can be difficult when buying an unfinished project with a lot of the work already performed.
    I think you're conflating getting the AC for the plane and getting the Repairmans Certificate for the builder. There is no reason you cannot buy all the airplane parts, bring them to the US, complete the plane, get it inspected by the FSDO, MIDO or DAR, and get an AC in the EAB category, assuming that it was built for education and recreation, even by the original builder.

    With respect to the RC, if you can show that you are fully familiar with the plane's structure and systems, there's no reason they shouldn't issue the RC to you as well - there's no requirement for how much of the plane one person must have constructed in order to get the RC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Austintatious View Post
    I plan on contacting the FAA to see what they have to say.
    Unless you already have a good relationship with someone at the MIDO or FSDO that would be issuing the AC, I'd caution against asking questions. Just do all the required steps to build, inspect and register the plane. When I built mine, no one ever asked me where the parts that I built it from had come from.

    So in summary, unless there's some weird special circumstances that you haven't describe with this project, there's no reason at all that you can't do what you want.

    My $0.02.

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    Marc,

    thank you for the input!

    The only other detail is that this project is 90% complete... So I would be importing a fuselage and wings ( and other various stuff) it seems to me that customs would see this as an aircraft even if it is just technically parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austintatious View Post
    The only other detail is that this project is 90% complete... So I would be importing a fuselage and wings ( and other various stuff) it seems to me that customs would see this as an aircraft even if it is just technically parts.
    Customs and the FAA are two different organizations. Whatever customs wants to see about the cost/worth of the airplane parts, you show them. It's still not an airplane as far as the FAA is concerned - it's never been registered anywhere.

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    If it were me, I'd want to get a close look at those "logs from day 1" before I paid. Also, you don't say if the plane is being built from a kit. If it is a kit, you will need a copy of the Bill of Sale (FAA Form 8050-2) from the kit manufacturer to the original purchaser of the kit. You will need another Bill of Sale from the seller you are dealing with to you. If there are any other owners of the kit between the kit manufacture and the seller you are dealing with you will need a copy of those Bills of Sale too. The FAA is very specific in that the Bill of Sale must be a FAA Form 8050-2. If the kit was made in Canada and sold to a Canadian, I doubt there will be a FAA Form 8050-2 and your into something unusual. Someone has probably been through it before but finding them might be difficult. If you contact the FSDO I doubt you will find anyone that knows much about Experimental Amateur Built let alone importing a partially completed kit from a foreign country. You might call the Canadian kit manufacturer and ask what type of bill of sale they use and if they have any contacts at the FAA they have dealt with when importing the kits to the US. Also, have the FAA Form 8050-2 notarized if you buy the kit. Other than the quality of the workmanship, the paperwork is going to be the most important part of your venture. Good luck.

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    I suspect there is someone at the EAA mothership that can give you guidance on this matter and would be a more informed source than a FSDO desk jockey. A call might be in order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tralika View Post
    If it were me, I'd want to get a close look at those "logs from day 1" before I paid. Also, you don't say if the plane is being built from a kit. If it is a kit, you will need a copy of the Bill of Sale (FAA Form 8050-2) from the kit manufacturer to the original purchaser of the kit. You will need another Bill of Sale from the seller you are dealing with to you. If there are any other owners of the kit between the kit manufacture and the seller you are dealing with you will need a copy of those Bills of Sale too. The FAA is very specific in that the Bill of Sale must be a FAA Form 8050-2. If the kit was made in Canada and sold to a Canadian, I doubt there will be a FAA Form 8050-2 and your into something unusual. Someone has probably been through it before but finding them might be difficult. If you contact the FSDO I doubt you will find anyone that knows much about Experimental Amateur Built let alone importing a partially completed kit from a foreign country. You might call the Canadian kit manufacturer and ask what type of bill of sale they use and if they have any contacts at the FAA they have dealt with when importing the kits to the US. Also, have the FAA Form 8050-2 notarized if you buy the kit. Other than the quality of the workmanship, the paperwork is going to be the most important part of your venture. Good luck.
    Thank you. It is an american kit. I will inquire about the original BOS.

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