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    No words, no words Bill. I will not dignify your ramblings and your inability to comprehend what I post with any answers. It will not help you. Once upon a time you were an intelligent and thoughtful contributor to the Forum but in the last little while you've become unbearably oppositional, incomprehensible and tiresome. As you live in Colorado, I'm wondering if you're visiting the legal grass shops much too often?

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    Seems to me that it's time to nuke this topic as it has digressed into 2 fellers trading jabs.

    Darn, I missed the Bomb topic. I've spent most of my adult life building them. Guess that's 'cause I can't check the EAA Forums from work. Our Automated filters at work classified the EAA Forums as a porn site and blocked it. I can't figure if that's for Airplane porn, or if I missed one of Bill's posts.

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    Mostly I don't even read an off topic post but this one is hilarious !!! But, I think I will move on to the things that interest me more, mainly simple stuff. And as I heard someone say one time, "Sometimes just be's da way" !
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    Okay, lemme wade in with a couple comments:

    First, there is no censorship on a private forum, nor are there any First Amendment issues. Both censorship and free speech, as laid out in the Constitution, pertain solely to the government's restriction of speech. If the government was monitoring this, or any other forum and changing or banning content, that would be censorship. So while one can rail against the aliens spreading their brain waves through the microwave* in the public square and so long as they do nothing else, they can't be arrested and jailed for their message. However, they can be thrown out of a business or off one's front lawn without any free speech issues.

    One has no rights of free speech in a private forum. Zero. The "my house, my rules" criteria is valid in an internet forum.

    Second, I come here to talk aviation. I don't want to know if the guy on the other end is a wearing a hammer and sickle shirt or a Birch society hat; it will color my perceptions of what he's contributing. One's politics has zero value in the conversation on the best way to secure a cotter pin in a tight spot within the wing. There's loads of places on the Internet to talk politics, sports (RTR), quilting, and admire the male and female form in various states of undress: this isn't one of them.

    Third, this is the EAA's official forum. What is written here, for better or worse, whether it's fair or not, is a reflection of the EAA. Where the organization is political, it is single focus and very bipartisan in aim. They've done a fantastic job of staying above the implication of favoring one party over the other to good results. The second an aviation special interest group is perceived as partisan, they've lost support for their cause from the other side reflexively, regardless of the merit of their case. Most official forums for large organizations are run with a tight fist, where criticisms of the organization are removed as soon as they're found - but EAA has allowed quite a bit of criticism of their work stand (and has responded to it in a very reasonable way).

    Fourth, to sum it up, "take that stuff someplace else."

    * Of course that's how the gov'ment, in alliance with the aliens, spread their brain waves and monitor us. Think about it: what's the one thing in your home where they say to never, ever use tin foil?
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    IMHO if any forum be it here or anywhere does not want what is called here " Hangar Talk " they should not offer such. Simple is it not. Hangar talk is just that. What amazes me is those that want to push their view on what they believe this " hangar Talk " should be about. IMHO and according to the rules I read, it can be about anything that comes to mind.

    Now if others don't like that write letters and have it changed. But don't bash those who use hangar talk for hangar talk.

    Simple is it not.


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    Frank, you invent complaints like " admire the male or female form in various stages of undress" and "wearing a hammer and sickle or Birch hat". Where do you find them on the forum? I havent written them. Maybe the male form in undress came from somewhere else. As for your anti quilting part, belive it or not there is a quliting group right at Airventure ,and Ill bet they arent trying to mind your business.Your complaints are as valid as if I griped about all the flight delays due to airlines at Osh or road delays do to all the horse drawn wagons or pay toilets or body scanners at hangars.
    What do you like about the fourm? Do you like having a homebuilt section, or a vintage section? What about Oshkosh, like more showers and the new real restrooms and good wi fi service and being able to go inside miltary planes and airlnes at show center or ride on Tri Motor or have good shuttles trams or walk out to the fligiht line for warbirds or have type dinners at the museum, have a variety of food or good shuttles to Sea base, and workshops and fourms of all kinds, dozens of other good things?Taking a photo with Bud Anderson or Frank Borman? How about RIGHTS? You have NO RIGHTS to any of these things, but they are good things that make EAA better. I never wrote anything about having rights at EAA, what I wrote was that free speech is fundmental to what makes our country great, and EAA can and should be mostly and open organization, and so this forum and that is a choice and a value not a right. If I am driving a rent a car thru Airventure and see you or others looking tired or with a bag, I am going to offer a ride and thats not because you have a right. Or do the dozens of Young Eagle and veteran flights that Ive done , and it wasnt because they had any right to it. And just because your interest span is a cotter key wide, others may be broader. You can write about not taking passengers flying, Il read it or not but dont have to try to limit your writing that even though I think sharing flights are a pleasure and works both ways.
    And this recent controversy on the forum was one nice guy trying to warn people , even you, about the Eqiufax risk, nothing about politics or undressed male forms or any other bogus complaints. Myself I asked a simple and straight forward technical question about the size of a current bomb, nothing about politics, and thought that fit right in with Airventuere where the two B-29 BOMBERS as well as the B-1 and B-52 BOMBERS were the focus of the show. As for reflecting on EAA,even their rules make it clear that our opinions are our own not theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1600vw View Post
    ... write letters...
    Tony
    What's that?

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    Bill, clearly we're writing past each other.

    No offense meant, I just think we should keep topics aviation related, even tangentially, here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Giger View Post
    Bill, clearly we're writing past each other.

    No offense meant, I just think we should keep topics aviation related, even tangentially, here.
    This could be the problem....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1600vw View Post
    This could be the problem....
    Let's just assume we engaged in a huge back-and-forth about validity of one person's opinion over another's, engaging in oneupmanship, eventually invoked Godwin's law, and absolutely failed to reach agreement on anything other than we disagree with each other on this one matter. It will save us both time and words.

    I have no desire to go through that nutroll - as pilots and builders we have so much in common that it would be a harmful exercise - a point that I very poorly tried to bring across.

    Here's an example of how non-aviation stuff can ruin an otherwise beautiful aviation relationship:

    My CFI was great. I say that because in style of teaching and his ability to gauge a student's actual progress really meshed with mine. In fact, he was my second CFI, as I fired my first one - a young man who was a good CFI but very quiet and reserved, speaking very rarely and completely unflappable. This also made him unreadable and I had no idea what I was doing right or wrong most of the time.

    So I interviewed another, and grinned at the first bit of sarcasm. My CFI was quick to give feedback both good and bad, laid out specific goals and was very honest on how well I met them. His goal was to train me to my check ride, yes, but it was clear he wanted me to be a good pilot overall, to look at the whole of flying, and put things into context. We got along famously, very professionally, even though we used a bit of "vernacular" to pepper our conversations. I can't say we became friends; the only reason we spent time together is because I was handing over a handful of cash for the privilege. However, it was never a chore (at least not for me), and we gained respect for each other.

    One day I was talking to one of my pilot friends and mentioned my CFI with a glowing review of his abilities to teach a knucklehead like me how to fly and I got a very sour look.

    "He's an atheist and a screaming liberal," the man said, "I can't see how you could stand to be in the same room with him, let alone share an airplane."

    "Because he's a damned fine flight instructor," I replied, "that's how."

    Well, I did pick up tangentially that my CFI was in fact an atheist and, by Alabama standards a "screaming liberal" during our time together, but we were pretty careful to keep our conversations to flying. When we went "off topic," it was in safe areas like our kids, the hilarity of marriage, and funny stories about work (Engineer stories for him, Army stories for me). I would characterize our relationship as professional.

    Now, then, if we had talked politics or religion we'd of been at extreme odds, and it would have colored the reason we were together in a harmful way. Rather than working cooperatively towards a goal, an element of adversity would have been introduced.

    I'm just trying to keep the same vibe here. Heck, you're a VW guy, and I'd love for you to go to my Nieuport thread and give your insight on my Diehl case over charging issue, and would accept your opinion with gratitude. More importantly, I'd like to keep the friendly Internet style relationship we have intact to where you'd want to.
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