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Thread: How can I get my local EAA Chapter out of bed with the local cops and FAA?

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    I joined the EAA and later an Ultralight club. I never joined an EAA chapter for those negative reason on the or at the edge of the subject mater here. I felt very unwelcome . The great transition to stamping out the Ultra light movement was well near complete.
    Now that I have succeeded in my endeavor , I would still not be accepted in an EAA chapter with any worth or opinion. I do not see any real future for a truly experimental organization . What is really more experimental than a new UL design?
    What fires up the minds of a younger crowed more than a real open to all venue?
    The EAA and there high and mighty attitude, largely fed by regulation and wealth.
    Ultra lights require only to fly within a small set of regulation and are then immune to extensive training or actually any training.This is so distasteful to them.
    Also require no financial elevation. No wonder I felt uncomfortable and unwanted. I had none of this, yet designed and I built and fly. I call that real experimental freedom. And and still many want to stamp out UL . EAA chapters continue to whine about diminishing membership .Its only a matter of time and you to will be gone. And there will be a small group of well to do jet pilots left. Certainly smaller.
    Last edited by Norman Langlois; 09-03-2017 at 09:53 AM.

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    Norm,
    If you could trailer your ultralight seaplane to Oshkosh 2018 it should be welcomed.
    I say "should" because my experience bringing an experimental engine was not entirely welcomed. I persisted and got it through the barricades and so was successful.
    If we are to save affordable basic aviation we must be persistent. Let me know if you have questions.

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    Bill I found much enthusiasm when I brought the plane to the local fly in. Its not that I try to make the point that the venue has changed. The story behind the story I have been met with adversity. There were always some approval. I was attacked by some mostly over the flying. What was the approved of the past was not of the day. I expect I might prevail for the plane but not my views of the abandonment of a much needed avenue to entry level flight for the general public, not just the well to do. Today's living expenses put flying far away in the closet of life. The LSA alternative has not solved that. Instead it has added to the news. With daily crash reports coupled with general aviation I am appalled how many . Ultralights never made much negative news. They may have seemed to be a pain in the A for some and have never been really accepted by the Chapters.

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    Bill I have always wanted to bring the plane to Osh. I had to finish , developing takes a long time when you are alone in the project. I finally have everything right as you know. To bring it to Osh with all the hack and chop visible. What do you think would it be scorned or still revered as a success?
    Because I am frustrated and aging whats the point now?

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    Norm, of course you should bring it to Oshkosh if you can. And camp next to it. Even do a forum about how you designed, built and flew it and learned to fly in it... incredible. I can help with a forum if you want.
    Dont worry about the hack on a prototype, it is expected. Paul McCready was awarded "Engineer of the Century" for all of his crude man powered creations. Paul made it crude on purpose. The crudeness embarrassed the Brits.... but McCready won the British Kremer prize because it was crude and worked. The prototype Rutan Quickie was also crude.
    I doubt your work is crude.

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    Norman Langlois, I second Bill Berson's suggestion. I'd attend a forum and certainly take a look at your machine.

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    If I recall correctly, the EAA charter states EAA is to be an "apolitical" organization.

    Inviting people to the meetings who carry guns and threaten others with fines or imprisonment if they do not comply with them, does not strike me as being particularly apolitical.

    I dont let my kids attend anything where guns are present; I just read too many stories of guns going off by accident because of incompetence and hurting people. It seems to be in the news all the time, about the police of gun enthusiasts shooting others or themselves by accident.

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    Yeah, those things are almost as dangerous as airplanes.
    Measure twice, cut once...
    scratch head, shrug, shim to fit.

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    I am a founding member of my EAA chapter here in North Lake Tahoe/Truckee and we are now in our 22nd year. We are a very active chapter compared to most and we draw members from Reno, Carson City. South Lake Tahoe and Minden. Why do they come? Because from the very beginning I knew we had to have a solid board of directors. They had to the "doers" and not the followers in order to keep the chapter alive and well. We acquired a building on the field that had been abandoned and needed major repairs to make it habitable by going to the airport board of directors and asking for it. It was slated to be torn down for the cost of 25K. We asked them to give us the 25K by paying for needed materials to bring the building back to life and they did. Why did they? Because our chapter members at the time (takes 10 to form a chapter) committed to teaching our local youths the basics of aviation including building. We called the program Operation School Flight. We went to the superintendent of schools and told them what we wanted to do and they agreed to give us a trial run. 5 years later we were teaching up to 20 kids ages 14 to 18 about aviation and 5 earned credits toward graduation. It got to be a bit too much for the handful of EAA "teachers" and we lost some support from a new superintendent so we closed that portion of our activity and were asked to lead a restart of our local airshow which was closed down in 1997 due to burn out from the members and lack of appreciation and support by our airport board. Those were the ugly days but we stayed strong by staying together and working out our problems.

    For the past 6 years our EAA chapter has taken the lead in putting on the Truckee Tahoe AirShow & Family Festival along with the Truckee Optimist Club and the KidZone Museum. We are all non profits and the airport pays us to put on the show. Why would they do that? Because they finally saw the light through 3 surveys paid for by the airport asking the locals what they liked and didn't like about the airport in order to learn why they were getting so many noise complaints. Turned out to be a small handful of people literally sitting by their phone and calling in a complaint each and every time an aircraft "disturbed" them for one reason or another. The really strange finding from the survey was that over 95% of a those polled asked "what happened to the airshow" and that they'd like to see it's return. It has been a win win for each of our non profits AND the airport district.

    We have a rain, snow or shine pancake breakfast each and every 2nd Saturday of the month (we only cancel with the snows are too deep the morning of the breakfast due to snow removal scheduling). We also have a general membership meeting and "pot luck" dinner the 3rd Wednesday of each month with attendance fairly weak during the winter months and fairly strong in the summer which I believe is normal.

    So there you have it. If any of you would like more information just drop me a note to flyingtiger17@gmail.com

    Tim LoDolce
    President EAA1073 and Executive Director of the Truckee Tahoe AirShow & Family Festival

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    I agree Danny. It is not only EAA national's policy of staying apolitical but it's our local EAA chapters policy by choice. By staying out of the political problems we stay neutral and respected. It goes a very long way in keeping the chapter strong.


    Tim

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