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    Quote Originally Posted by martymayes View Post
    It as to go higher than that! We need someone at the FAA to explain why they used the same acronym for two different topics!! Much confusion!
    I just sat through an EAA webinar on VMC Clubs tonight. See https://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/eaa-chapt...ogram-vmc-club for a description of the program. The webinar itself was recorded, and a link to it will be available shortly, I'm sure.

    The basic approach they are using in a VMC Club is to use an A-V presentation of a scenario, stop it half way through, and then start asking a room full of members what they would do in this situation. It draws on the actual real-life experiences of the people, vs. the "book learning" they have long since forgotten. The hypothesis is that there is no one "right" answer, but that we all bring something to the table, whether we have 20 hours flight time or 20,000 hours. We all have experiences.

    Any EAA chapter can start a VMC Club and get access to the scenarios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcvisel View Post
    The basic approach they are using in a VMC Club is to use an A-V presentation of a scenario, stop it half way through, and then start asking a room full of members what they would do in this situation. It draws on the actual real-life experiences of the people, vs. the "book learning" they have long since forgotten. The hypothesis is that there is no one "right" answer, but that we all bring something to the table, whether we have 20 hours flight time or 20,000 hours. We all have experiences.
    Oh, so it's like an AA meeting? lol

    Actually, I'd be interested in doing a scenario based event as a facilitator but my local EAA chapter is on life support. Probably can't support a VMC club.

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    Perhaps start a VMC Club group would be the start of getting your local chapter off of "life support". Here is how I figure it: I hear a lot of people talking about how their local chapter is dying, but not many are taking any action to change it. Although our chapter is just starting, we are also starting a VMC Club group. EAA would like new IMC or VMC Clubs to have at least 5 participants and an instructor to clarify difficult questions. For our VMC Club, we were given the ok to start it without a CFI as long as we had a participant with at least 1,000 hours. If you can scrape together at least 5 folks who are willing to give it a try and any one of them has close to 1,000 hours, I say give it a go. It could very well be the thing that starts generating interest again in your chapter.

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    Don't forget that if you are not in VMC (less then 1000 ft from the clouds for example) then you are in IMC so you need an IFR rating to be legal!

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    If any VMC club needs CFI support I would be willing to help long distance via phone or text. Email to CFIG1467368@yahoo.com if you would like additional information or contact JEDI on homebuiltairplanes.com

    I am looking for those interested in LOC (Loss of Control) stall spin discussions.

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    The VMC Club is a spinoff of the IMC Club, which Radek Wyrzkowski started (apart from the EAA) after he got his instrument ticket and the very next day, flew into some IMC conditions on a cross-country, which he is very lucky to still be able to talk about. Shortly thereafter, he and a small group of instrument rated pilots started the IMC Club to share their experiences so others did not have to learn them the hard way. People heard about it and clamored for a VFR version, so he started the VMC Clubs. It was just a few years ago that it got absorbed and sponsored by the EAA.

    Radek gives the history and some details in an EAA webinar saved at:
    https://www.eaa.org/Videos/Webinars/5404627100001
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbdevkc View Post
    Perhaps start a VMC Club group would be the start of getting your local chapter off of "life support". Here is how I figure it: I hear a lot of people talking about how their local chapter is dying, but not many are taking any action to change it. Although our chapter is just starting, we are also starting a VMC Club group. EAA would like new IMC or VMC Clubs to have at least 5 participants and an instructor to clarify difficult questions. For our VMC Club, we were given the ok to start it without a CFI as long as we had a participant with at least 1,000 hours. If you can scrape together at least 5 folks who are willing to give it a try and any one of them has close to 1,000 hours, I say give it a go. It could very well be the thing that starts generating interest again in your chapter.
    YES!!! That sure worked for us! We started using the VMC Club videos during our chapter meeting, and it really livened up the meetings and gave us something to focus on. We have since split it off into a separate meeting since we got some new officers, one of whom now arranges for an interesting speaker or theme of each meeting. We now do the VMC Club videos at two regular meetings a year to show everybody else what they are missing.

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    The two discussions here are not unrelated. The VMC club is supposed to discuss issues that primarily affect flying by VFR pilots (pilots flying under VFR, regardless of their ratings.) Now, the question of VMC is highly relevant. VMC and VFR are two different things. The weather can be VMC, but to be legal VFR you have to maintain separation and visibility. We had a YE rally a few months ago where we had to have that discussion among the pilots. Just because it was "scattered" did not mean the pilot could remain VFR. I recommended waiting an hour while the ceilings rose and broke up. One pilot did not quite understand that distinction, and wound up terminating the flight minutes after leaving the pattern, so the plane and passengers could remain legal VFR!
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    It may be too fine a point, but if the clouds are scattered then it is vfr, scattered clouds don't constitute a ceiling. No matter how high or low the bases of the clouds are, it they are only scattered, its not a ceiling for imc purposes, its vmc and to be ifr or imc it has to be broken clouds at least.
    Of course, especially if flying kids you don't want to take any chances on any kind of chance with weather. Id guess it might be officerly reported as scattered, but a little more clouds in one area.
    So broken clouds, bases at 900 ft agl is an ifr ceiling since its below 1000, while scattered clouds at 500 ft are not a ceiling and not ifr. You can see through or around scattered clouds.
    You could have fog or smoke from a fire as a visual limit, but it wouldn't be scattered clouds.

    By the way if a pilot is dealing with low clouds, trying to fly under them and remain vmc, hopefully not with kids, here are two points, first there is a min elevation figure on the sectionals ( remember what a sectional is?) and it means the how low you can fly, plus 200 ft and clear every object in that box. So if its 1300 ft and you can hold 1500 you aren't going to hit a building or tower.
    Next there is the visibility part, need 3 miles to be vmc,but that's pretty slim. And it depends what you are flying, it may be ok in a 50 mph J3 Cub but nerve racking in a 200 mph P-51., and harder to navigate visually.
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    Note there is not really any "ceiling" limit for VFR other than operating below it in a [airspace formerly known as control zone]. Outside a surface area of controlled airspace designated for an airport, you're free to fly no matter what the ceiling is. You're only required to maintain the regulatory cloud clearance and visibility.

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