View Poll Results: Should Airventure be a military airshow?

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  • I want to see more military aircraft

    19 26.39%
  • I support our veterans but lets only have one day of military stuff

    30 41.67%
  • I would like more GA and less military stuff

    21 29.17%
  • I Don't want any military aircraft at Oshkosh

    2 2.78%
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  1. #11

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    I think the static displays of military planes is good. Lot's of people and kids like to climb inside some of the large cargo planes,and of course the aircrews like to come to EAA.
    I get very tired of the extreme noise of most of the jet acts. It hurts kids ears and often makes them scared to tears. Not the way to treat the public. If I am at a show where a F-35 is flying, I go inside or just leave the show, it is really obscene amount of noise and damaging to our hearing.
    I sure don't want to spend the day at EAA where a large portion of it is subject to that kind of noise. A little modern jet flying goes a long way.

    As for the warbirds, I love the great vintage prop planes. They represent the planes that helped win the war when the war was worth fighting. I have pushed for years to make one day, "modern day", and let the vintage jets and maybe T-28s fly that day. This is sort of done, but not followed strictly.

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    civilian vs. military

    It makes for an interesting discussion, but, without both , attendance would serious slump.

    As a non-pilot, I expect to see both. I enjoy both. I enjoy seeing rebuilt or refurbished military aircraft like Glacier Girl as well as original design experimental aircraft. I expect and enjoy seeing new aircraft from the major factories as well as old aircraft that are retired and returned to flying status.

    In effect, I enjoy anything aviation. Trying to reduce it to a niche will bring out those who enjoy the niche but lose those enjoy it all.

    At 74, I was unable to attend until I retired , but I had always wanted to because I had heard it was the grandfather meeting for all aviation enthusiasts. I cannot come every year, butI hope that it will continue to be all I heard it was. It has been in the years I attended since I reitred.

    I thank EAA for letting me see things I would not have seen otherwise including the one man band out on the corner.

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    As Paul always says..."There's room for everyone."
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    Chad said it best. Don't change a thing. I want to see them all!

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    As part of the whole mix at Airventure, I like seeing the military aircraft, as so many pushed design boundaries. What I don't enjoy is how EAA celebrate war. They used to have a military airshow only on the final weekend. I always thought it was only staged to appeal to visiting non pilots, whom expect a lot of noise and bangs for their money. For the last 2 years Oshkosh had military flights everyday. I'm seeing lots more military aircraft in Conoco Philips Plaza.
    What I enjoy is the EAAs celebration of interesting aircraft design. Its wonderful seeing Rutan's spaceship one, a new VLJ or a new Light Sport design. Please don't turn Oshkosh into a military airshow, warplanes are only a part of what makes aviation so interesting.

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    EAA Does NOT celebrate war. I have never seen anything of the like. What they do is honor the men who flew those aircraft into combat, maintained them, and designed them. One of the richest parts of aviation is it's deep rooted past. I have an idea, if you don't like warbirds, then don't walk down there.

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    How come the poll didn't have an option for "it's fine the way it is"? I love all aspects of aviation and found that the 2011 week had a good representation. You're lucky to have military participation. Here in Canada it's getting harder and harder to get the CAF to show up.

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    "I disagree, Lindberg. There are plenty of non-EAA airshows and museums to see warbirds. I go to Wings Over Houston almost every year to see them. I used to go to Oshkosh to see experimentals. Since it is not about experimentals anymore, I'll probably never go back again."

    WHAT? Are you kidding me? You have been spending way too much time in the Fly Market my friend. True, there are many things at AirVenture that have nothing to do with experimentals, but EAA, which originally started out as homebuilder/experimenters, is now about all aspects of aviation. If it exists in aviation, it most likey has been to Oshkosh or will be and that is what I like about AirVenture the most. It's the "whole 9 yards" and then some. (Where else can you get a free Ford cowboy hat or ride a JD Gator.)

    I have been critical of EAA/AirVenture in the past, and that's our right as members, but I've never said I won't go back, I just hope the free EAA T-shirts you can get for applying for a VISA credit card continues, as they make great presents for someone who hasn't ever been there. You can get all you want. When you get back home you get one new credit card in the mail and 9 letters of rejection. I wonder how that effects a credit rating?

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    "As for the military jets, the people that enjoy them the most seem to be the non-flying general public in my opinion."

    WHAT? Are you kidding me? Out on the North 40, where practically all are pilots, we start "speaking in tongues" when a military fighter roars overhead. Ahhh and the sound of a P-51 or a T-28. Who the hell needs Viagra?

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    For something different, howzabout flying some of the old classics from the Pioneer museum? Or take a page from the Rhienbeck Aerodrome playbook by staging a "dogfight" with some WW I planes. I like seeing something different. The V22 tilt-rotor back in '10 was interesting.

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