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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark van Wyk View Post
    According to the policy:
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    4. d. Flight Programs. Due to the nature of some of EAA-related programs (e.g., two-seat Young Eagles aircraft rides), there are times when it will be impossible for two (2) adults to be present in an activity involving a Youth. In such cases, the staff member or volunteer should take particular care to ensure that the Youth and their parents are aware of the circumstances.
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    This clearly implies that if it's a four seater, an adult COULD and SHOULD be present. RIGHT? If so, I must say that's a deal killer.

    EAA? Can you please clarify?


    Mark now you are understanding what we have been saying all along. The program is unworkable, ambiguous, confusing and just plain a mess. The EAA needs to scrap it and start over or risk the whole program. 3 weeks later and still no REAL response from EAA despite 50 pages, 30K+ views and almost 500 replies and comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smutny View Post
    However, there is still not clarification of how the Youth Protection Policy effects non-Young Eagle, non-youth specific EAA and Division chapter events. It's mentioned in the matrix at the bottom of the YE policy page, but nowhere else in eaa.org that I can find.
    John -

    On that note, the Youth Protection Policy has no impact on non-youth specific activity.

    The matrix at the end of the policy is meant to be a reference for youth-specific activities that may take place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djenders View Post
    Thought I'd jump in on this comment as well. There appears to be a misunderstanding, or misconception, that our membership was not involved before we rolled out the Youth Protection Policy.
    Dennis,

    When this came as a complete surprise to the vast majority of the membership as well as the nearly all of the YE coordinators, I really don't think it is a misunderstanding or misconception to say the membership was not involved or engaged before this roll out. Clearly your opinion differs from the membership at large, but I wouldn't call cherry picking a couple of YE coordinators "Involving the membership". The membership at large will vote with their continued participation in the YE program, and/or their continued support for the EAA... or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by combahee View Post
    Mark now you are understanding what we have been saying all along. The program is unworkable, ambiguous, confusing and just plain a mess. The EAA needs to scrap it and start over or risk the whole program. 3 weeks later and still no REAL response from EAA despite 50 pages, 30K+ views and almost 500 replies and comments.
    Actually this has been addressed, on post #494. That should provide clarity.

    In Section 4.a.ii of the policy we do state "The Two Deep Leadership requirement does not apply in an aircraft during a Young Eagles flight."
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    Quote Originally Posted by djenders View Post
    John -

    On that note, the Youth Protection Policy has no impact on non-youth specific activity.

    The matrix at the end of the policy is meant to be a reference for youth-specific activities that may take place.

    Dennis
    And that is explained..... where?

    EAA has implemented the EAA Youth Protection Policy.

    How it effects Young Eagles is explained here.
    How it effects Chapter youth activities is explained....?
    How it effects Chapter non-youth activities where youth may show up is explained....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djenders View Post
    John -

    That is actually reflected in the policy, which you can see online here:
    http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/aviation-e...tection-policy

    If you scroll to section 4.a.ii we do state "The Two Deep Leadership requirement does not apply in an aircraft during a Young Eagles flight."

    Just didn't want any misinformation out there.
    Will we be getting notices of changes to the Youth Protection Policy with a preface of applicable changes in the future? This is an obvious but very important change in the regulations. What other changes were made?

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    Quote Originally Posted by djenders View Post
    John -

    On that note, the Youth Protection Policy has no impact on non-youth specific activity.

    The matrix at the end of the policy is meant to be a reference for youth-specific activities that may take place.
    Section 11 does not appear to limit it.

    "EAA chapters and other operators of EAA-related programs and events will maintain orderly and accessible records for each Youth participant in chapter activities."

    Doesn't say "chapter youth-specific activities." The Matrix says a kid has to either accompany a parent or bring a waiver if they show up to a normal chapter meeting ("Regular chapter activity"), and we need to retain that waiver for three years or the local statute of limitations, whichever is longer. By Section 11, we also need to retain a bunch of other information.

    We have Raisbeck Aviation High School located just down the road from where we meet, and the kids occasionally drop by. Do we turn them away if they don't have a waiver? If they come with their parents, are we still required to retain contact information, acknowledgement of discipline policies, and a chapter attendance list for three years?

    Ron Wanttaja
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwanttaja View Post
    Section 11 does not appear to limit it.

    "EAA chapters and other operators of EAA-related programs and events will maintain orderly and accessible records for each Youth participant in chapter activities."

    Doesn't say "chapter youth-specific activities." The Matrix says a kid has to either accompany a parent or bring a waiver if they show up to a normal chapter meeting ("Regular chapter activity"), and we need to retain that waiver for three years or the local statute of limitations, whichever is longer. By Section 11, we also need to retain a bunch of other information.

    We have Raisbeck Aviation High School located just down the road from where we meet, and the kids occasionally drop by. Do we turn them away if they don't have a waiver? If they come with their parents, are we still required to retain contact information, acknowledgement of discipline policies, and a chapter attendance list for three years?

    Ron Wanttaja
    A solid question Ron, I'll work on getting clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave S View Post
    Dang dude - you have made your thoughts very clear on this. Over and over and over. After the first few (hundred) times, you just make yourself look petty. Give it a rest!

    Then stop reading if you don't like what you read. Simple huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmdive View Post
    Then stop reading if you don't like what you read. Simple huh?
    Please, lets keep our conversation on topic and civil. We strive to keep things civil here and respect everyone.

    Lets keep our rules in mind. http://eaaforums.org/misc.php?do=showrules
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