Ive heard of people converting a pacer to an experimental bushmaster, is this possible and if so who do I contact for further info.
Ive heard of people converting a pacer to an experimental bushmaster, is this possible and if so who do I contact for further info.
You can look around on www.shortwingpipers.org for more information. I did a search and came up with 38 threads where the bushmaster is mentioned but you have to be registered to see the search results.
I believe there might be some info on www.supercub.org also, but I didn't look there.
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Well....... there is one other thing to consider. The FAA. A memo dated 5-11-2007, to FAA inspectors, DARs, & FSDOs, from the manager of the FAA production and airworthiness division, that applying for application for a previously certified airplane for certification as an amateur built is no longer accepted as it no longer meets the intent of FAR 21.191(g). It states that FAA order 8130.2, chapter 4 has new language added to clarify this position.
You might also want to look at the Wag-Aero Sportsman 2+2 as a scratch-building project or to convert a used one with similar modifications and less paperwork. The Christavia MkIV is also similar.
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At the end of the day, to get exp/amateur-built status, you have to fabricate and assemble the major portion. There is nothing that says you can't use salvaged components, in fact, FAA guidance specifically states salvaged components can be used in a homebuilt project. You just not going to get fabrication credit for those components. Use the checklist in 20-27g and if you can show you fabricated and assembled the major portion, no reason why you can't have an e/AB aircraft.
Of course, if you can't show major portion was fabricated for education and/or recreation you can still have an experimental airplane. It just won't fall under the amateur-built heading. There's a lot of other type experimentals out there that fly on a regular basis. Just be sure the limitations of such aircraft fit in with your plans.
There is actually one listed on an auction that is called a Cougar (?) which is basically the same thing as the Bushmaster but streched a little more. At least I think that is how the owner discribed it to me.
Last edited by WWhunter; 11-13-2014 at 08:30 PM.
[QUOTE=martymayes;45905]At the end of the day, to get exp/amateur-built status, you have to fabricate and assemble the major portion. There is nothing that says you can't use salvaged components, in fact, FAA guidance specifically states salvaged components can be used in a homebuilt project. You just not going to get fabrication credit for those components. Use the checklist in 20-27g and if you can show you fabricated and assembled the major portion, no reason why you can't have an e/AB aircraft.
After referencing FAA order 8130.3G, Chapter 4, section 9, para. 4099(b), the FAA says you can use salvaged parts from a certified airplane in your project, however, when it comes to using the fuselage, or wings, or tail sections from a certified airplane, they may find the airplane ineligible to be certified as amateur built. Just something to consider as I was told by an FAA inspector, that I could NOT use a modified Aeronca L-3 fuselage for an AB certified project.
The interpretation of the rules will likely vary by inspector and regional office, but it's worth having the conversation. It all comes down to a determination of whether or not you built the major part of the aircraft yourself rather than reusing salvaged components.
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Eric: Think about it. Look at all the 'Kitfox' type kit airplanes that are supplied with a completely finished welded-powder coated fuselage. The builder gets no credit for fabrication/assembly of the fuselage yet they still qualify as E/AB.
I don't know if this particular inspector was just speaking off the cuff or if he had the AC checklist in hand and was making an accurate assessment of a project but there is an outside chance he just might be wrong? I've had to explain the rules to an FAA inspector before so it would not surprise me.
Marty, you must have the same inspector i have up here in the Upper Peninsula. I deal with Grand Rapids and have had to explain rules to him also. He believes the A.Cs (advisory circulars) are law and not advisory. He can t even read the date code on "O" ring packages.