If we've got to have jet teams, having them at 5pm seems like a good compromise. I can be somewhere else by then, and gone by 3 pm on Sun.
If we've got to have jet teams, having them at 5pm seems like a good compromise. I can be somewhere else by then, and gone by 3 pm on Sun.
If you're departing in an airplane, you better plan your departure much earlier than that.
The military teams have caused great damage at Sun N Fun. The strong base of hardcore attendees have diminished due to lengthy and ever changing access restrictions. Additionally, it's absurd to move countless folks in the name of safety and then fly directly over the crowds at low level during the show. I don't blame Airventure for attempting to bolster attendance and trying this but, I believe, long term that they will regret it. I dabbled with going this year but this turned me off.
common knowledge that the Friendly Aviation Advisors drive most of this stuff about airshows and safety lines, right? and that their rules are flexible depending on what aircraft, speeds, aviator quals are, too? ref for a lot if not all of it is FAA Order 8900.1, volume 3, chapter 6.
http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives...provisions.pdf
The demonstration teams pretty much drive the rules. Here's a copy of the T-Birds requirements. Page 26 gives the space requirements. It's interesting to read all of the required support and how much of a major undertaking this is.
http://afthunderbirds.com/site/wp-co...t-Manual-1.pdf
Originally Posted by flybuddy
Absolutely. Teams each have their own support manual. I never read the tbird manual, never hosted them, thanks for the link. Confirms my suspicion, they're much the same for military teams. I was part of NAS cadre hosting blues five times. Major pita and I don't mean flatbread. The stories shall remain untold to protect the innocent, just in case somebody was.
wow, that rule manual contains an awful lot of things that EAA will have to do!
But it also says that the host organisation has to pay for the Thunderbirds show!!! But hasn't it been said before that EAA wont pay for aircraft to attend Oshkosh? Didn't we have this discussion about Jerry Yeagan's Mosquito? Id much rather see the Mosquito, much more appropriate to our event.
I also wonder what was paid to compensate the businesses closed down on the east side of the airfield and people who have to leave their homes?
EAA also have to provide 34 cars/minivans as well as a police escort to get them to/from the airfield!! Numerous hotel rooms when you usually cant get a room, but at least the military pays for the hotel.
The Thunderbirds rules also say the crowd line must be behind snowfence or physical barrier and that all static display aircraft must be well behind the crowd line. I guess EAA got around those two rules.
Looking forward to a great week upto Friday!
Most likely they found a sponsor to pay for it. Just because the EAA doesn't fork over the money doesn't mean that other affiliated sponsors won't.
6k per day as a partial off-set for TDY expenses is better than paying for the fuel…which is done for the other airshow aircraft.
All in all, having any of the military demonstration teams is a high-maintenance (that is, time and resources) event.
Last edited by Mayhemxpc; 07-05-2014 at 09:29 PM.
EAA doesn't pay for fuel either.
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