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    How long to solo?

    The day a student takes their first solo is a big one, and most of us remember it for years. For me it was after about 12 hours and I was flying a Cherokee 140. I recall saying to myself, "don't worry too much about the landing," since I was not a landing expert, but I was very good at takeoffs, so, "I'll just go ahead and takeoff and take the landing as it comes", and of course it worked out fine, just like most solos.

    It seems the norm now to solo in 12 to 20 hours, some take much more even 30 hours. But it is interesting to read how long some of the folks in history took to get up in the air alone.
    The quickest that I have read is Hap Arnold, later Air Force Gen, Arnold, who soloed in 3 hrs.and 48 minutes. Is there a catch? Well sort of, Hap was one of the first students at the Wright Bros flying school at Huffman Prairie . Of course they had expert instructors who were not just building time to get an airline job, since there weren't any airlines. And the airspace was uncrowded and uncontrolled, no other planes to worry about or some FAA disk jockey yammering away in your ear. And they certainly didn't have any complicated glass cockpit to decipher, as a matter of fact they didn't even have a cockpit of any kind.

    The next fastest solo I know of was a test the AOPA instructors did. Some years back AOPA had a great program called Pinch Hitter,which is theory was if a passenger such as a spouse were to take over when the pilot was incapcitated and land the plane. The format was to have a long class session like Friday afternoon, and learn about how the controls worked and enough radio basics to call for help. Then on Sat and Sun THEY ACTUALLY FLEW. They took the non pilot part of the duo up in the family plane and had the non pilot actually fly, and by Sunday the non pilot could and did make several landings themselves Half the people were reluctant to do the course on Fri and by Sun. eve almost all had a huge attitude change and they had some confidence that they could actually land their plane since they had just in fact done it.
    This was a great program and as for as I know never had an accident, but lawyers got involved and stopped the flying part and now Pinch Hitter means only the classroom part.

    Anyway, just for fun a couple of the CFIs decided to find a student to start completely from scratch and see how quickly they could do a simple solo in a simple plane, just take off in a C-150 and go around the pattern to land, nothing else, but solo. They found a lady who knew nothing about flying, she was in fact a Las Vegas showgirl and didn't hang out at the airport like most of us. So they gave her the basic lessons and in 5 1/2 hours she safely made her solo flight. The CFI who told me the story said the lady was like a blank slate, can't recall if she even drove a car, and was so great looking the CFI had a hard time concentrating on his work. I am not sure of the rest of the story, don't recall if she went on to become a pilot.
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    If solo is the only objective, it can be done it a remarkably short period of time. Probably more so now than ever because of access to flight simulator computer programs.

    I think Piper proved the former back in 1979 with the "Blue Sky Solo Course"
    For $299 (price varied slightly by location) and ~8 hrs of training, they would let you fly around the pattern if they thought you could make it, lol.

    While I don't necessarily agree with the concept, it did generate a lot of interest.
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    Fastest one ever... 0 time :-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJT_CACIZqs

    I know..not really solo, but pretty amazing!

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    Time to Solo

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Greenwood View Post
    The day a student takes their first solo is a big one, and most of us remember it for years. For me it was after about 12 hours and I was flying a Cherokee 140. I recall saying to myself, "don't worry too much about the landing," since I was not a landing expert, but I was very good at takeoffs, so, "I'll just go ahead and takeoff and take the landing as it comes", and of course it worked out fine, just like most solos.

    It seems the norm now to solo in 12 to 20 hours, some take much more even 30 hours. But it is interesting to read how long some of the folks in history took to get up in the air alone.
    The quickest that I have read is Hap Arnold, later Air Force Gen, Arnold, who soloed in 3 hrs.and 48 minutes. Is there a catch? Well sort of, Hap was one of the first students at the Wright Bros flying school at Huffman Prairie . Of course they had expert instructors who were not just building time to get an airline job, since there weren't any airlines. And the airspace was uncrowded and uncontrolled, no other planes to worry about or some FAA disk jockey yammering away in your ear. And they certainly didn't have any complicated glass cockpit to decipher, as a matter of fact they didn't even have a cockpit of any kind.

    The next fastest solo I know of was a test the AOPA instructors did. Some years back AOPA had a great program called Pinch Hitter,which is theory was if a passenger such as a spouse were to take over when the pilot was incapcitated and land the plane. The format was to have a long class session like Friday afternoon, and learn about how the controls worked and enough radio basics to call for help. Then on Sat and Sun THEY ACTUALLY FLEW. They took the non pilot part of the duo up in the family plane and had the non pilot actually fly, and by Sunday the non pilot could and did make several landings themselves Half the people were reluctant to do the course on Fri and by Sun. eve almost all had a huge attitude change and they had some confidence that they could actually land their plane since they had just in fact done it.
    This was a great program and as for as I know never had an accident, but lawyers got involved and stopped the flying part and now Pinch Hitter means only the classroom part.

    Anyway, just for fun a couple of the CFIs decided to find a student to start completely from scratch and see how quickly they could do a simple solo in a simple plane, just take off in a C-150 and go around the pattern to land, nothing else, but solo. They found a lady who knew nothing about flying, she was in fact a Las Vegas showgirl and didn't hang out at the airport like most of us. So they gave her the basic lessons and in 5 1/2 hours she safely made her solo flight. The CFI who told me the story said the lady was like a blank slate, can't recall if she even drove a car, and was so great looking the CFI had a hard time concentrating on his work. I am not sure of the rest of the story, don't recall if she went on to become a pilot.
    In the real world, a significant factor is the weather. The time required to solo in Arizona and the time required to solo in North Dakota are like apples and oranges.

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    In the real world, a significant factor is the weather. The time required to solo in Arizona and the time required to solo in North Dakota are like apples and oranges.

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    In 1959 the Piper dealer at Toledo Express Airport was offering flying lessons - $75.00 guaranteed solo- $350.00 guaranteed private using Tri-Pacers for training. At 19 years old I could not find $350 but did manage to round up $75 and so it began in the fall of 1959. I soloed at the end of the 6th hour on a cold fall day. In the next year I soloed again and got a cross country rating. Then electronics school, marriage and family came along and flying stopped after about 27 hours. It was a fun ride. I did make it to Rockford twice.

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    Solo is a meaningful milestone. It means you are a pilot. Sure, not yet a licensed, or as the nitpickers say a certified or certificated pilot, but if the airplane took off, flew around and came back and landed with only one person in it, then that person must have been the pilot. And now it is not just theory, he/she knows that they can fly.
    There is, of course, much more still to learn, like cross country navigation and the never ending interaction with weather, but for that half hour or so, the person is/was a pilot, and can be again.

    As part of his great WWII book, FIRST LIGHT, former RAF Battle of Britain pilot Geoffrey Wellum writes about his first solo in a Spitfire, and the feeling of begin overwhelmed at his first experience in a fighter, "A Spitfire has landed at Duxford with me inside it." He was 18 years old, just, but it was June of 1940 and he was very soon to go from being a teenager to a man and a real fighter pilot where the sky is full of 109s that shoot back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Greenwood View Post
    Sure, not yet a licensed or as the nitpickers say a certified pilot,
    The really picky ones would say "certificated"


    ....but that wouldn't happen here........ ;-)

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    Gday,7.5 hrs for me at the then not so busy Jandakot airport here in Perth western Australia.Having said that I had 15 hrs in a glider.Is it my imagination but that first landing was the best I did for a long time.jandakot is one of the most busy airports in the southern hemisphere these days .A lot of the Asian airlines have their flight schools there. Cheers Ross

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    At 17 yrs old, I soloed in 11 hrs. in 1976 in C-150 8700G, Watonga, OK.

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