CIVA Known Proposals for 2014

[Martin Price]

Since I haven't seen it appear here yet, the proposed CIVA Advanced and Unlimited Knowns for 2014 are available at

http://www.fai.org/civa-documents

Go to Meetings, select 2013, and there they are for your viewing/flying entertainment. Any input from Advanced/Unlimited pilots should go to Mike Heuer before the November meeting.

Cheers
-Martin

[RetroAcro]

Interesting...never seen a vertical up snap in Advanced (Proposal E). I vote for Proposal D. Thoughts based on flying a stock 180 hp Pitts S-1S:

Proposal A - good energy/flow except for the line into figure 5 which would require a big slow down. I don't like the snap after the roll on the 45 down due to the potential for a higher speed snap than I'd like in the Pitts. I'd rather see a well-placed outside snap introduced into Advanced than a vertical up snap. For Figure 5 here, I'd rather do a 1/2 outside snap followed by a full aileron roll than the 1/2 aileron roll followed by the full inside snap. As drawn, it presents no particular challenge other than snap speed concerns for biplanes. Fine for monoplanes, though.

Proposal B - Figure 3 seems a little goofy, but not bad energy/flow otherwise.

Proposal C - Good variety and challenge, but flying off Figure 3 clean would be hard in warm Wx.

Proposal D - Good flow/energy, maybe just a little hard to round out the looping segment of Figure 6.

Proposal E - Interesting introduction of the vertical up snap. That would be lots of fun to see in Advanced...especially from the judges line. Not sure I like it as an Advanced figure though. Requires me to fly my Pitts pretty hard to do a decent 3/4 up snap.

Proposal F - Figure 1 is a very high energy figure for the Pitts and would be hard to fly round.

Proposal G - Same issue as above for Figure 7. Would struggle with energy into the push into Figure 6 in warm Wx.

Eric Sandifer

[Martin Price]

I haven't flown any but your comments largely reflect my thoughts based on flying a stock S-2B (and I'm almost always in warm wx). I'm definitely not a fan of figure 5 in Proposal A.

I think D would be my personal favorite, followed by B.

[Martin Price]

The latest versions of these proposals have been posted, along with comments from the Known Analysis Working Groups which gives an inkling as to which sequences are favored. The comments are an interesting read so it's worth revisiting (or visiting, if you haven't already).

[Martin Price]

CIVA has voted. The 2014 Knowns (Unlimited, Advanced, Int/Y52) are...



(Incidentally, I have no idea how well image embedding will turn out so, for the record, that's Unlimited proposal B, Advanced proposal B and Y52/Intermediate proposal A.)

-Martin

[WLIU]

For the IAC Known Programs for Primary, Sportsman, and Intermediate for 2014, you can see them through the IAC web site in the agenda package for the fall Board meeting.

See you at the box,

Wes
N78PS