Hal, I agree with. All you have said, and I do beleive that even out of strong disagreements great ideas can emerge. If we all thought alike it would be a very booring world. Since you hear day after day the complaints of others I would very much like to hear your ideas to improve the organisation and Airventure. As an insider you must have a very different point of view from the rest of us. Please understand that I am not being sarcastic, but you have access to information the rest of us may well be ignorant of. Hence I suspect you may have some ideas that the rest of us have not considered. Your thoughts ????.Randy Powell