I would like to hear from EXPIERENCED and currently active, in type, pilots of of Chiefs wih just the fundamental 65 horses as to their ability to land the machine SHORT and takeoff with minimum ground roll on grass. Input fom instructors giving training, doing BFR's or otherwise specifying "How-To" in this aircraft are of special interest. I purposefully left the obstacle specification to the responder but, obviously, the higher and closer the better. There are static numbers from many sources, but the question is "what are you actually achieving ? Another factor is the ever present Chief vs. Champ hassle. This question has to do with the 11 AC only.Please refrain from the childish bickering which so often arises in forum discussions about technique such as was present in the recent posts on Taylorcraft "Speed-Brakes". If you find a post objectionable, just leave it be. If you feelpersonally insulted, I suggest you take it up with the individual via pm or contact the forum moderator.