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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Downey View Post
    If you really believe that I'd like you to place a sign in your yard, " this home is unarmed"
    Why would I do that? I never said I didn't have a gun.

    I said if you come to my house, you follow my rules. I guess if you don't want to follow my rules you storm off and complain on a message board that I am denying you of your rights.

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    I wasn't aware of this until now. What prompted EAA to make this decision?
    Anyone have a link to a news story or press release?


    While I am disappointed in the decision and share the OP's feelings, it won't stop me from enjoying AirVenture and the museum.

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    I'm with ya Goggles... disappointed.

    While it is EAA's right to set conditions or policies, my second favorite organization (EAA) just opposed the position of my favorite organization (NRA). As someone stated earlier, AirVenture and the museum are generally friendly places... people carrying concealed (been happening for years) have not had an impact on anyone's ability to enjoy themselves. But, they have now taken a position that is unfriendly to a large percentage of their members. Why was this necessary?

    At this point I'm still planning to attend our convention, but with the parking issues that have run off many of our friends and now this anti-gun position... well, it just doesn't sit well with some.

    This policy does absolutely nothing to deter criminal intent... instead, it says to law abiding gun owners, "hey, you are welcome here, but your dirty filthy gun is not." What are they going to do with the WWII encampment down at Warbirds? Will they also be prohibited from carrying or displaying firearms? If not, what makes them more qualified or capable to be among the crowd as a trained and responsible citizen (or veteran)?

    Anyhow, for those that support our right to bear arms, this is not the sort of thing we like to see.

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    Mark, the idea that a "trained" gun carrier is synonymous with 'responsible" is nonsense.
    The military vet who just murdered 16 in Afghan was highly trained, a sniper specialist on his 4th tour. Just like the guy who blew up the Muir federal bldg. or the soldiers who shot unarmed students at Kent State back in the 70s.Or theracist nut in Florida who just shot the unarmed kid in the chest. When I was in college at Texas in 1967, a well trained former Marine marksman shot 50 people on campus.The problem is not their ability to use a gun, it is what happens when someone goes off the deep end and has a gun handy.

    Why not take your guns to your the meetings of "your favorite org, NRA" and do whatever you want to do with them there; and leave the majority of the rest of us in EAA and fun aviation to enjoy ourselves in peace?

    And it is not just adults like myself who are at EAA or the museum, there are children there and I don't think most Mothers would want their kids to play at a local park for instance where men were carrying guns.
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    I'm a concealed weapons carrier, a veteran, and all around American Joe that bleeds Republican Red, which means I'm not only a 2nd Amendment guy but a Property Rights guy as well.

    It's their museum and they can make the rules - and that's a right I'll defend as much as I will responsible firearm ownership.

    I'll leave the armed response at a public venue to the police officers on hand and just make sure there are some fat people around me to use as cover until they do.

    Realistically, the notion of a person inside a large crowd doing anything with a concealed weapon is ludicrous. In the event of a shooting your first priority is to keep from being trampled, the second to find a suitable egress, and third to execute the escape.

    Naturally they'd find me cowering in the cockpit of a very cool display aircraft, strapped in and making engine noises.
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    Hey Bill, I never said that "trained" suggested "responsible"... so you can keep your "nonsense" to yourself.

    As for my NRA meetings... I do take my guns, and we do indeed do whatever we want, which is all lawful and educational. You mention that I should leave you and the majority of EAA to have fun and enjoy yourself in peace... what makes you think I would wish for anything else? Because I believe in personal defense? Sure sounds like you have us law abiding gun owners figured out... yes, law abiding... not the criminals or nut jobs that you describe in your post.

    You speak of the museum as if I can't relate to the kind of people there... I've been there too, right along with my wife and 7 year old son. In years past we haven't been concerned in the least about people carrying guns there... in fact, we assumed that others likely were... it just doesn't bother us the way it apparently bothers you.

    As for children playing in parks where men carry guns... in any state where men (and women) are allowed to protect themselves, which is everywhere in this country except for the Land of Lincoln... there ARE people there with guns.

    You apparently have a strong opinion in opposition to the right to keep and bear arms... some of us have the same strong feelings in favor of that concept. It's alright, we just disagree, but it certainly doesn't make us bad guys, or any more criminal than you.

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    As an Australian that has traveled to AV on a couple of occasions it never crossed my mind about anyone around me carrying a concealed weapon. Be it in the museum or grounds. (Driving around Chicago was another matter.) Some interesting laws you have there. Being unarmed i just gotta hope you 'good 'ol boys' keep it together. I'd hate to get caught in the crossfire. Here in Australia gun ownership is tightly controlled. We used to enjoy our guns just like you until the Port Arthur mass shooting. I think we held the record there for a while. After that a Govenment mandatory buy back. Got to have a good reason to have one these days and then most get stolen. The buy back did not work it. Just gave the criminals, bikies and our middle eastern immigrants more firepower. So de arming the population would have the same result as prohibition, may as well keep them.
    I don't really see what the fuss is all about by asking people not to bring their weapon(s) into a puplic place and it being posted so. This sort of thing has been going on since the wild west days. In the old western movies you would see signs like that at some of the better saloons or even in some towns. Enjoy your rights and freedoms. You have more than i have.
    Ozzie
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    Hi guys - I'm waiting for some clarification from our HR guy to make sure we can set the record straight about EAA policy. However, what some of you may not know is that the state of Wisconsin has only allowed concealed carry starting as of November 11, 2011. Prior to that point, concealed weapons (presumably with the exception of Law Enforcement) would not have been allowed in the Museum or on the convention grounds because they weren't legal anywhere in the state.

    As I said, when I have some clarification of the policy, I'll share that, but I thought it was important to point this out.

    In the meantime ... for the most part, everyone's being pretty polite in discussing a potentially inflammatory topic, but a couple of posts have wandered over the line. Please remember to keep it civil and on topic.

    Thanks!

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    I am not concerned about the gun issue. The reason I am still "burned" about the last time I flew into AV is that after landing long at the request of the tower, I attempted to taxi from 36L onto the grass when a flagman waved me back onto the blacktop and up to some wooden barricades and signaled me to stop while he moved the barricade and waved me through. He then stopped me and came up the airplane and REALLY gave me hell for not going onto the grass. I did what he wanted me to do then he gave me a chewing out for doing what he wanted me to do. I still wonder if the guy was drunk or high on something. I filed a formal complaint with EAA and never heard anything. A real bummer; just one jerk but it still irritates me.

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    Here in WI, seeing the " no weapons allowed" signs is common. Bars, grocery stores, schools, resturants, workplaces etc etc, basicly every building except your own house. Try not to get so worked up over the law abiding rules someone makes about THEIR property, on which you are not forced to be.

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