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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Greenwood View Post
    I saw a news tv item about a store swamped by people trying to buy the latest Nike sneakers. This was not in a high income area of town, almost all minorities. Yet there were hundreds of people lined up to pay $200 for a pair of casual shoes. If the demand was there, somehow for some people they found the money. If you go to a high school, almost any income level, most of the kids have cell phones; it is part of the norm.
    People are beginning to buy new cars, need them or not, or Harleys, or $800 purses or ladies shoes. Look how Apple is selling expensive I pads, for $600 and they can barely keep up with demand.
    And they want them because they see ads on tv or newspaper and their friends have them. They don't want to be left out.
    AND THEY DON'T THINK IT IS SO STRANGE OR OUT OF THE ORDINARY TO HAVE THESE THINGS AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE 30 MILES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY TO BUY THEM.

    I live in a ski town, most people ski or board. It cost money; it can be a lot of money if you are a competive racer or x games type, and you have to learn how and there is some level of danger, at least injury, not usually death. There are some wealthy people who can afford any amount and they ski. But even the much less wealthy, if they live and grow up here, they expect to ski. It is the norm,it is expected, not thought of as something that only a few people do, or beyond he reach of most.

    First comes the acceptance of skiing/boarding, then the demand, then the spending.
    And of course the ski companies do a lot better job on the whole marketing than most FBOs or flight schools do, especailly for beginners.
    I really don't think it's about availability or advertising.

    I have a friend, about 50, makes a good wage, has a house in the country with room for a landing strip and works at an overhaul shop. Been around planes his whole life. He's thought about learning to fly, but even though he has lots of money, he can't justify spending it and taking the time to do it. Figures he wouldn't get enough use out of it.

    I live close to a private airport. About 40 hangars and around 30 planes tied down outside. A lot of lifetime homebuilders. Some have four planes in their hangar and can't be bothered to finish one. On a nice sunny summer weekend, you'd be lucky to see two planes in the air at the same time. Maybe five people flying total for the weekend. It's turned into a big social spot. Everybody wants to sit around and talk airplanes, but nobody wants to fly.

    This is part of the reason for lack of interest from the public. When you buy $300 sneakers, you buy them to show off to people. Phones and iPads are both a way of socializing and a status symbol. Same with Harleys and cars to a certain extent. Whatever the value these products are to their owners, they can realize it with very little effort. Skiing takes more effort, but it's still an all day social gathering that even someone who is inexperienced can enjoy with their friends without a lot of rules. Showing your certificate to somebody is like a rich person showing pictures of his mansion in Alaska - poor people can't relate and rich people probably don't care. Finishing your homebuilt means flying it and that usually means people won't see it.

    Piloting is a relatively solitary activity. Most people will agree that its difficult to find a passenger. Then there is the boring aspect of flying to the same places all the time. Very few people find enjoyment just from the act of being in the air. Going to different places further away increases costs exponentially. A sunday at an average small airport is a few people flying for an hour or so in the early morning, coffee for another hour or so, then the place is deserted by noon. Even if Joe Public lived just down the street and was bombarded with learn to fly commercials, its not exactly an enticing place.

    People's way of thinking has changed over the years. It's all about instant gratification. Thirty years ago it was common to take the family on a cross country car trip. Now they fly to maximize the time at the destination. It's not advertising or availability, the car is in the driveway and its probably cheaper for a family of four. Nobody wants to sit in the car doing nothing (such as sightseeing).

    Is it even possible to advertise learning to fly in an honest manner and still have the average person want to do it? Imagine the ad.

    For only $6000(or more), and a few (or more) months of dedication, you can be be a pilot! Imagine soaring through the sky (weather permitting) by yourself for only $120 an hour (aircraft availability may be limited). Feel the freedom to go anywhere (subject to TFR's), and land at interesting places (landing fees may apply). When you return you can socialize with other pilots (who couldn't afford to fly that day) and share your experiences (not too many as the majority of pilots fly less than ten times a year). Feel the freedom! (subject to background check)


    I'd love to see more people become interested in flying, but first we need to start showing some interest ourselves.

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    Quick point of information - the GI Bill can be used for flight instruction now.

    It's a recent change; indeed, the rule changed about two weeks after I passed my check ride!

    A big chunk of the lack of new pilots is pure demographics. The bulge of the Baby Boomers is followed by a trough of Gen Xer's. It's another topic for a different forum, but trust me, it matters. The Baby Boomers aren't retiring, and when they finally do the guy in his twenties gets promoted - leaving the forty something holding the bag.

    At any rate, if the percentage of pilots to the population held steady for each generation there'd still be a heckuvalot less pilots coming up.
    The opinions and statements of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events.

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    I live in the suburbs of Chicago, IL. About 3 years ago I started to look more and more into the aviation world. I have been to numerous air conventions. I even bought books and got setup with an FBO at KPWK. After a lot of research on instructors, planes and cost, I found this FBO to be the best in my area. After 6 lessons I had to stop because the money was way too much for me right now. I am 30 years old and have a lot of time ahead of me for my love of aviation. I am shocked at how expensive this hobby really is. There are pictures all over the FBO walls showing 18-25 year olds getting their private pilot license. I guess their parents were nicer than mine? And how do they have time to go 3 days a week and keep up with the private pilot syllabus. Maybe I should have gone to Aviation College instead?

    Well one day my time will come!

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    And how do they have time to go 3 days a week and keep up with the private pilot syllabus
    I hate to break it to you but the private pilot curriculum isn't exactly rocket science (at least not until Frank figures out how to mount that RATO system on his Nieuport ).
    Unfortunately in science what you believe is irrelevant.

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    ...or you could join the Air Force and learn for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickndfl View Post
    ...or you could join the Air Force and learn for free.
    You do realize that probably 95% of people in the Air Force are not pilots right? Also, as an Air Force veteran myself, don't count signing your life away for several years as "free" not to mention that you have to earn a 4 year degree before you have a chance of getting selected for initial pilot selection. People gripe about the medical certification standards for civilian pilots should take a look at the military version.

    Suggesting that someone go into the military to become a pilot is a bit like saying that one should go to college, finish their degree and then go to medical school just to have a chance to draw blood.
    Unfortunately in science what you believe is irrelevant.

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    Just imagine how quick you could kill the skiing/boarding recreational industry with the same interest in "someone elses" safety.People do it because it's fun (like flying should be) the risks can be high (sound familiar?) people get hurt often.....even GASP!!! DIE!!
    The "safety" mantra is BS if you ask me, I don't see compassion in such statements about saving some pilot from himself....I see arrogance and people with a control fetish.( I've read your story Steve, and yes you did a good thing that day, not arguing that) I'll believe someone cares about safety for others in aviation when I come across an EAA member actually willing to HELP a new guy,and when I deal with aviators/A/P's that refuse to rip off another fellow aviator. All self honoring lip service.
    Oh, and I agree, a fat wallet does not a capable pilot make, it sure can't hurt though.
    For someone who wants to just fly the ultralite world is still there, and some of them are pretty cool, too!
    We may all end up there before it gets better.

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