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    Why doesnít EAA allow Fifi and other Warbirds to Charge for rides?

    Hey Sam- I just watched a video explaining why Fifi didnít come to Oshkosh this year. It essentially said that since EAA doesnít allow Fifi to charge for rides and experience flights, they canít cover their costs or make money for their operation. So they donít come. Why is this a policy for EAA? I come to Oshkosh for the Warbirds as Iím sure many do. If EAA is going to make it so they donít show up what exactly is the end game in that? Thanks!

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    You realize that (other than the tri-motor), EAA doesn't use its aircraft to give rides at Oshkosh. They give rides on the B-17 and B-25 from Appleton, IIRC.

    Cycling a warbird (worse - a big one like the -29) through the field every hour or so would have a huge adverse impact on all of the other inbound and outbound traffic. In addition, there's the ramp space issue. Where is EAA gonna find the ramp space to properly manage a ride program on a B-whatever without sacrificing a chunk of Aeroshell Square or the entire ramp at Basler (which EAA doesn't control anyway).

    I just don't think it is practical without a substantial negative impact on all of the other things going on at Oshkosh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Boatright View Post
    ...without sacrificing a chunk of Aeroshell Square...
    The Boeing people won't like it called that. AeroShell was two sponsors ago. They aren't even an exhibiter there this year, although happily they are still the primary sponsor of the aerobatic team.

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    You hit it on the head Kyle with the rides being staged from Appleton. In years past, that’s exactly where the B-29’s have staged from. But from the video I watched, apparently EAA is not allowing Fifi to do that either. Obviously they’re not going to stage rides from Oshkosh itself. Clearly that’s not logistically possible. But not letting the CAF or Other warbird organizations charge for rides in general is going to stop them from coming to Oshkosh all together. They have to be able to have a source of income to cover their expenses.

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    Iím just looking for some clarification from EAA on what the actual policy is so we can know what the facts are. If itís true that theyíre not allowing the Warbird Organizations to charge for rides in general if the Warbird is going to be on the ground in Oshkosh at any point during the show or affiliated with the show in any way- then I donít see how any of the big warbirds will continue coming to the show. Iíd like to know what the actual facts are behind all of this.

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    Hi Mark - Apologies for the delay in getting back to you, but I'm sure you understand given the time of year. Without having seen the video, we can't comment on exactly what was said, but here's the message I got back from the powers-that-be:

    The CAF is welcome to provide flight experiences with FIFI out of Appleton just as other groups do, such as Doc’s Friends with their B-29 and Yankee Lady this year with the B-17. Those operations are held in Appleton because of the air traffic in Oshkosh throughout the day, and the tower’s ability there to slot them in between the commercial traffic. It would be much more difficult to do that in Oshkosh during the fly-in. There is nothing stopping any group from providing those flights up there.

    So, whoever told you that we "don't allow" the CAF to charge for rides was wholly mistaken.

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    Thanks for the clarification on it Hal. I appreciate it. We have to be doing everything possible to ensure that Fifi and Doc are back flying together at Oshkosh next year. With each passing day, the first hand history and accounts of WWII are being lost. It’s absolutely imperative that the younger generations understand the lessons from WWII and what exactly happened and why. It’s one thing to read about WWII in history books. And it’s decisively another to tell the story of the WWII experience through Fifi and Doc. Airventure is Masters Class in WWII History. But that class is woefully incomplete without Fifi and Doc flying together. So Let’s do all we can to honor our WWII Veterans by telling their stories in the most impactful and powerful way possible. It’s just too important.

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    It's always about the money.

    eaa.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y11JzXJdP4E Here’s the video Hal. Clearly we have to do everything we can to resolve this. Obviously Oshkosh is where Fifi, Doc, Diamond Lil, Witchcraft (when she becomes available again) and every other WWII Warbird on the planet needs to be. Whatever the issues are between the organizations, we have to work them out for the benefit of everyone. As I said before, it’s just too important.

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    Just viewed the video…… Explain to me why the CAF or any other warbird flying museum should be entitled to part of the gate take for just showing up??
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