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Woah, woah, woah...hold on there.
I'm not pretending to be someone I'm not. I have flown basic aerobatics and I have worked the judges line at competition. I don't have to be Rob Holland to be able to be irritated or say that you're wrong.
You should have some basic experience about the topic to claim that someone who has experience is 'wrong'... Which in this case is the sportsman sequence in a non inverted system plane. Again I ask, have you flown a flat wing non-inverted system airplane and tried to do a competition roll?
Plus you claimed, "Giles Henderson whips the Sportsman category in a clipped wing J-3 Cub." Yet the data you provided had him flying a plane other than a cub. So either your data set was wrong, or you were wrong.
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Then...you prove everyone's point. It's the pilot not the plane
You skipped the point that sportsman is not designed for Rob Holland to fly. You also skipped the point that there are very few pilots who are at, or will ever be, at a famous test pilot's skill level. Using a top notch pilot as an example is a distraction.... Again I ask for PROOF and not opinion.
Please show me a 7ECA medaling at the nationals. You keep saying it is possible, but if it really IS possible, then it should of been done sometime since the aircraft's inception and today. Like I said, put the data up to back your opinion.
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From all this it sounds like you're basically upset that someone can't show up with minimal practice and ability and medal in a 37hp J-2 Cub (yes, some exaggeration).
Nope, that is what you want to read into it. My comment is that all those who keep claiming that the ECA can do well should offer more than opinion and provide some data. People keep saying that the ECA can compete in Sportsman, "its the pilot, not the plane".... Great, provide the FACTS to back that up.
Also your claim of me wanting minimal practice is garbage - A flat out lie. My point is the plane itself is an issue for the AVERAGE non-Patty Wagstaff pilot. I recognize my limitations.... I am not one of the worlds best pilots.
You keep adding things that were not part of the original position.... A tactic used by people without data to fall back on.
1. This is not about the top of the top pilots. This is about the Average. If the IAC only cares about the best of the best then they should drop every class other than the ones that will compete at the world championships. This is the attitude I have been running across.
2. You tried to claim I want some yokel with no training to have a chance. This is something you just flat out made up. I simply said that the IAC sportsman sequence is not practical in an ECA... You claimed I was 'wrong'. I asked you to provide your proof and as of yet, you have failed to provide anything but re stating your opinion over and over. Further you have made claims that have been proven, so far, to be wrong "Giles Henderson whips the Sportsman category in a clipped wing J-3 Cub." The data you provided showed him winning in a Cassutt Racer, not a Cub and in PRIMARY, not Sportsman.
A 7ECA has a chance in Primary, I have placed second overall in a competition in *primary* in my ECA. This is not the topic of discussion.
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As others have said, there's no way that you can make every category winnable by every airplane.
Then be honest about it and don't claim it can be done. "It's the pilot, not the plane".... sound familiar? You have said it several times this thread.
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Plus, you're talking about Nationals for Pete's sake. That's where the best pilots and planes go to compete, so of course you'd wouldn't stand a chance in an ECA.
Then quit claiming it is fine for the class. Yes, if no one shows up at a local meet then a guy in a 38hp cub can win.... But quit spreading the lie that he has a chance when others show up to play.... OR provide your data to back up your opinion. So far you have been unable to do that, and I think that trend will continue.
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This guy has notes on different Primary/Sportsman figures in an ECA. He deals specifically with the roll and says you can expect a score of 7.5 at best, then you exceed the airplane's capability.
Well then I have already done that. Again, I ask YOU have you flown a flat winged non inverted system plane in a competition style roll... If so, then please let us know.
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I'm still having trouble understanding your gripe, and you don't seem to want any solutions.
Then you either have not read a thing I have written, or you choose not to understand.
Simply put, if the plane does not have a chance, quit lying and saying it does have a chance. Be honest.
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DIT: I think it's also worth mentioning (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) that the 7ECA was not designed for competition acro per se but more stuff like "barnstorming style" aerobatics and upset training. Planes designed from the bottom up to compete are, well, designed differently.
Then QUIT TELLING PEOPLE THAT THE PILOT IS ALL THAT MATTERS! Be honest and admit that the plane has no chance in Sportsman instead of trying to sell the line that the person who does not agree must not train enough or quit trying to say the since maybe the best pilots in the world might be able to do it that I have no real gripe.
Not a difficult concept.... Quit saying the pilot is all that matters when you know that is not the truth. Admit that some sequences are designed to favor some planes and basically eliminate others.
Edit to add: I am sure you will not provide the data. Further I am sure you will just continue to spout your opinion without providing evidence, or worse continue to provide data that does not support your position - IE: it was a Cassutt, not a cub. Primary, not Sportsman.
Details matter, facts matter.