3rd class medical - drivers license comments
I have a few comments about the 3rd class medical and changes proposed to allow additional planes to be flown with a self certify - drivers license medical.
I know there are changes proposed to allow more planes other than just the Light Sport Planes that would allow the pilot to use their drivers license to certify medical fitness. My understanding was they were going to allow more planes such as the 172 and others with less than 200hp to be flown by sport pilot licensed pilots. In my opinion, I believe all private pilot licenses should be able to self certify their medical condition to get their pilot’s license. They do anyway every time they get into the left seat.
The FAA, EAA, AOPA, all say they want to get more people into flying to help save an industry that is in danger. There are many of us that flew years ago and would love to start flying again but do not qualify for the medical because of a medication that is on the restricted list.
The changes proposed by the EAA will work this way – you will need to obtain a third class medical, let it expire, then self certify with your drivers license that you are medically fit. That will do NOTHING to help those of us who would love to get back into flying but do not want to fly a small, slow airplane. Many of us have reached the age where our financial position and responsibilities now allow us to return to flying – helping an industry that needs a boost of $ to grow.
If there are going to be changes made, either increase the speed, weight, and stall limits for the sport pilot category to C172 size planes or allow a private pilot license with a drivers license medical up to the size plane they will be allowing in the proposed regulations. Having to go through the medical first, then it being OK once it has expired is idiotic. How about using some common sense and making some good changes that will actually help. It is not enough to just have “good intentions”, changes need to actually do what they are trying to do.
I am interested in what others have to think about this issue. Thanks for letting me vent!
RE 3rd class medical and new pilots
The proposal would not allow Light Sport pilots to fly planes outside the Light Sport parameters. It would allow Private pilots who've allowed their medicals to lapse to fly up to 4 seat aircraft of less than 200hp while carrying no more than 1 passenger.
Regarding limiting new pilots....why? If my flight examiner didn't think I was capable of piloting "safely", I wouldn't have received my certificate. I've been flying for over four years and have about 120 hours. Before I hit 100 hours I had flown cross country flights of 400 miles, 650 miles, 800 miles, and 1200 miles. Also several Young Eagles, three friends, and my twin sister. Why should I not have been allowed to fly with these people in the aircraft?
I agree - there is no reason
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dbcrn
The proposal would not allow Light Sport pilots to fly planes outside the Light Sport parameters. It would allow Private pilots who've allowed their medicals to lapse to fly up to 4 seat aircraft of less than 200hp while carrying no more than 1 passenger.
Regarding limiting new pilots....why? If my flight examiner didn't think I was capable of piloting "safely", I wouldn't have received my certificate. I've been flying for over four years and have about 120 hours. Before I hit 100 hours I had flown cross country flights of 400 miles, 650 miles, 800 miles, and 1200 miles. Also several Young Eagles, three friends, and my twin sister. Why should I not have been allowed to fly with these people in the aircraft?
I agree with you. Once you have shown you can safely fly, having a class 3 medical or not is not what makes you a safe pilot. There is a far greater chance of injuring yourself and others driving on the roads simply because there are more cars - people around you. Of course, a plane crash makes much better news coverage, but the number of sport pilots having an accident because of a medical problem is VERY LOW. I'm sure it has happened, but I have not seen a report that confirms that as the call. If there is data showing that sport pilots have more medical problems than private pilots, I haven't seen it and maybe i would reconsider my opinion.
I have no problem with a graduated schedule of responsibility in flying. That goes for both private and sport pilots. Maybe you fly by yourself or with an instructor the first 40 hours after you get your license. Maybe longer - but limiting the chance of not being able to increase your flying choices discourages further flight education, instrument training, upgrading to a larger airplane, or even getting started flying again at all. The FAA does what they can to discourage new pilots, maybe the AOPA, EAA, and individual pilots need to start pushing harder for a better approach to what makes a pilot safe. I would bet the budget for my plane that there have been many times more crashes (not accidents) from running out of gas than a pilot having a medical incident. If safety of the pilot, passenger, and those on the ground are really the concern, then change to training to help reduce the running out of gas, buzzing, flying when the weather is crap, and doing a good pre-flight. That is how you will reduce crashes and accidents - not limiting people from flying because of a medication or medical condition that does not effect their piloting abilities.
No plane - getting ready to build
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Bill Greenwood
Rockwood, I see you are at Glenwood; I am at Aspen, but used to keep my Cub there one summer when our runway was under constrction.
Do you have a plane based there, or do you rent one there?
It's great flying weather these days, sure is a little thin on snow, but I am enjoying the blue skies.
Bill, no kidding, you are in Aspen? Wow, I had no idea. I would love to get together for lunch to discuss flying. I get to Aspen quite often and would make a trip up about anytime. I went over to the Glenwood Springs airport yesterday to look around and that place is in need of a serious cleanup. I hear rumors about it and how valuable the land is. I wonder if it will be there 10 years from now.
I wil send you a message with my contact info and maybe we can get together. Not much flying today - finally some snow. Talk later,
Rockwood
I understand what you are saying
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rosiejerryrosie
Yo - Rockwood. Not that I agree with it but one reason that some folks are restricted when they are prescribed medication is not, necessary, that the medication, itself, is a danger. The thought probably goes along the lines of, "Well, he's on medication, that probably means that he has been diagnosed with a condition that requires the medication. Gee, we didn't know about that before, but now we do. We better withould his medical because now we know he has a dangerous condition. True, the medication controls it, but what happens if he stops taking the medication? We better err on the safe side." Again, I don't particularly agree with the thought process, just trying to understand what it might be. Not sure if it's the Docs or the Lawyers, but.......
Thanks for the response. In the instance I was talking about, you make my point. If my friend stops taking the adderall, he is much more likely to have troubles flying than if he continues to take it. The problem is to pass the medical, the FAA requires him to stop taking adderall. How does that make the sky safer? I guess my rant or strong opinion on this is mostly about this particular medication because that is the only one I know about that has caused an otherwise good, responsible, pilot to be forced out of the left seat. I have type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure - along with millions of others. Medications for those health issues I take are ok by the FAA. In my opinion, I have a much greater chance of having a health issue that could cause me difficulties by not taking my medication than he has by not taking his. The funny thing is he has to make a point of remembering to take it!
I don't want to hijack this thread limiting it to the 3rd class medical issues. I think this is the right place to discuss it, but there is so much to talk about for those learning to fly and help improve our safety record. I really appreciate your comments and take on the issue. I sometimes have tunnel vision on issues and discussing an issue helps me understand that their may actually be other opinions than mine! My problem with the FAA is that they have no common sense. With the swipe of a pen, they can change a persons life. Have a great day and thanks again for the discussion.
No such accidents, actually
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rockwoodrv9a
...the number of sport pilots having an accident because of a medical problem is VERY LOW. I'm sure it has happened, but I have not seen a report that confirms that as the call.
As of quite recently, the actual number of such accidents is zero. (AOPA president states this at 6:25 in this video.)
I sure would like to fly at a higher gross and over 120 knots...
JTF