Long EZ

[Tom Downey]

who is the go to guy for a long EZ questions?

[flyingriki]

I have over 500 hours in one I bought. Flying partner has over 1000 in his. What do you want to know?

Or you could try here: http://forum.canardaviation.com/index.php
but 80-90% are builders, just theorizing and like to post a lot rather than truely knowledgeable....2 or 3 are very knowledgeable!

Some very experienced canardians here: http://www.ez.org/smf/index.php?board=2.0

[Tom Downey]

I What do you want to know?

Things about building, and getting plans.

[flyingriki]

Some sources:
www.canardfinder.com (http://www.canardfinder.com) he can find anything related to canards including plans, long rudder plans, Roncz canard plans etc.
http://forum.canardaviation.com/showthread.php?t=5200
http://www.dragonaero.com/RAFCDROM.htm
http://www.eurekacnc.com/products.htm
http://www.cozygirrrl.com/aircraftparts.htm

The guy that built mine owns Anacortes Marine Radio near you. If you actually build - he may be helpful. A lot of people buy partially finished projects. These seem to be a good way to get a jump on the build. The problem is, unless you are reasonably familiar with the skills and techinques already, you don't get to work your way up the learning curve in a safe manner that was built into the plans and sequence. You will also need all the Canard Pushers related to the LongEZ for all the 'rest of the story' in constructing one.
Good luck.

[Tom Downey]

Some sources:
www.canardfinder.com (http://www.canardfinder.com) he can find anything related to canards including plans, long rudder plans, Roncz canard plans etc.
http://forum.canardaviation.com/showthread.php?t=5200
http://www.dragonaero.com/RAFCDROM.htm
http://www.eurekacnc.com/products.htm
http://www.cozygirrrl.com/aircraftparts.htm

The guy that built mine owns Anacortes Marine Radio near you. If you actually build - he may be helpful. A lot of people buy partially finished projects. These seem to be a good way to get a jump on the build. The problem is, unless you are reasonably familiar with the skills and techinques already, you don't get to work your way up the learning curve in a safe manner that was built into the plans and sequence. You will also need all the Canard Pushers related to the LongEZ for all the 'rest of the story' in constructing one.
Good luck. I have experience with Fiber Glass I worked the Marine industry for several years building boat hulls, and have a ATA in marine tech..(VA bennies)
I know Anacorties Marine Radio, didn't know he built one. thanks for the links

[Mike Switzer]

http://forum.canardaviation.com/showthread.php?t=5200

Tom - this link has pretty much everything you need in the first post plans, templates, etc that someone scanned in to pdf format.

You will also need all 80 of the Canard Pusher newsletters, if you can't find someplace to download them I can copy them for you, they fit on 2 CDs

The original plans are not the greatest in the world, my project is based on a Long EZ & it took some doing & lots of cross referencing in the plans to get the data that I needed put in Autocad.

[Tom Downey]

Tom - this link has pretty much everything you need in the first post plans, templates, etc that someone scanned in to pdf format.

You will also need all 80 of the Canard Pusher newsletters, if you can't find someplace to download them I can copy them for you, they fit on 2 CDs

The original plans are not the greatest in the world, my project is based on a Long EZ & it took some doing & lots of cross referencing in the plans to get the data that I needed put in Autocad.

I looked at that project, (impressive) it's all in windoz, My Mac has a problem with that.

[flyingriki]

http://www.cozybuilders.org/Canard_Pusher/

[Tom Downey]

Tom - this link has pretty much everything you need in the first post plans, templates, etc that someone scanned in to pdf format.

You will also need all 80 of the Canard Pusher newsletters, if you can't find someplace to download them I can copy them for you, they fit on 2 CDs

The original plans are not the greatest in the world, my project is based on a Long EZ & it took some doing & lots of cross referencing in the plans to get the data that I needed put in Autocad.

Are you telling me that you have all diagrams, plans, and templates in auto cad and can print them?

[Mike Switzer]

Are you telling me that you have all diagrams, plans, and templates in auto cad and can print them?

No, I just did it to the point to where I needed to be to get the critical structural dimensions & wing profiles in before I started incorporating the dimensional changes done by Niel Hunter & Tim Crawford for their larger versions

Mine is going to be tube & fabric (with some modifications for baggage space) so once I got the original dimensions in I started modifying things from there

I have all the basic locations in, but giving a conservative estimate & considering the quality (or lack thereof) of the original plans & would guess it would take 80 - 160 hours more to get the whole original design in autocad. (And I never learned 3D autocad, by the time it came out I was in management, so I still do 3 profiles & an isometric, and section views)

[Mike Switzer]

Tom, if you are building it to plans, foam core / fiberglass construction, you can do it from the pdf plans as long as you go thru the CP newsletters & incorporate the changes. I had to put it in autocad because of the changes I was incorporating & because since I am building a 4130 fuselage I need to be able to do structural calculations

[Tom Downey]

Tom, if you are building it to plans, foam core / fiberglass construction, you can do it from the pdf plans as long as you go thru the CP newsletters & incorporate the changes. I had to put it in autocad because of the changes I was incorporating & because since I am building a 4130 fuselage I need to be able to do structural calculations

I thought it was over the top to think it would be that easy to get a set of plans.

but I think I have found a set and templates, in a hangar 3 doors down. they are used, I must go look, to be sure.

what would be a reasonable offer for a set in good condition.?

[Bugs66]

Mine is going to be tube & fabric (with some modifications for baggage space) ...

Wow, way cool and interesting! Would love to see this going together. Do you have a project site?

[Mike Switzer]

Wow, way cool and interesting! Would love to see this going together. Do you have a project site?

Not yet. Well, my engineering company has a url, but all I have been using it for is email.

I am part owner of a web hosting company, I am going to have to get the guy that runs it to educate me some on how to do a web site.

I am still in the engineering phase & beginning to accumulate parts (need some of the parts to move along with the detail design) once I start making progress with some actual building I plan on putting something out there.

[Mike Switzer]

I thought it was over the top to think it would be that easy to get a set of plans.

but I think I have found a set and templates, in a hangar 3 doors down. they are used, I must go look, to be sure.

what would be a reasonable offer for a set in good condition.?

I paid $400 for my (unused) LongEZ plans & $600 for the VariViggen plans (also unused). Really though, I went thru the LongEZ plans side by side with the pdf files you can download, there isn't any difference I could see. As long as the pdf templates scale properly when you print them you will be OK with the free downloadable plans. They printed to the proper scale on my printer, but you will want to have them printed on C or D sized paper on a HP plotter for building. Most blueprint shops can do this for you.

[Tom Downey]

Wow, way cool and interesting! Would love to see this going together. Do you have a project site?

This EZ build is still in the early stages of is it "feasible". I still have this project to finish, ( http://www.whidbey.com/fairchild-nc19143/ ) and a couple engine restorations to complete before I can open enough floor space in the hangar to start any thing new.

I had an engine failure on the 24 so I've been overhauling the Warner, that is why it isn't finished yet.


I'm sorta getting burned out on certified aircraft restorations and have need for a long legged traveling machine, (got kids on the east coast) so a composite build might be fun. I've got a ton of AN hardware, wire, hose, tube, stuff like that all left over from old projects, so I'm thinking why not build some thing.

[Tom Downey]

I paid $400 for my (unused) LongEZ plans & $600 for the VariViggen plans (also unused). Really though, I went thru the LongEZ plans side by side with the pdf files you can download, there isn't any difference I could see. As long as the pdf templates scale properly when you print them you will be OK with the free downloadable plans. They printed to the proper scale on my printer, but you will want to have them printed on C or D sized paper on a HP plotter for building. Most blueprint shops can do this for you.

This process of off setting the PDF files to actual paper templates is what worries me. that is why I started this thread, I see all the CDs for sale, saying they are a complete set of plans. I have no means of printing to that scale, and the printing companies aren't cheap.

still doing my home work, and I'm grateful for the help.

[Mike Switzer]

This process of off setting the PDF files to actual paper templates is what worries me.

One of the guys that built one re-did the templates, the way they are formatted there are 1" lines around the border

[martymayes]

I thought it was over the top to think it would be that easy to get a set of plans.

but I think I have found a set and templates, in a hangar 3 doors down. they are used, I must go look, to be sure.

what would be a reasonable offer for a set in good condition.?

There were a lot of LE plans published and that's not counting the bootleg copies. Put up a wanted ad on Barnstormers and I'm sure you'll get some hits.

I sold my last set of LE planes in the early '90's and got $400 for them. I can't believe they could fetch that kind of price today. They are just too "public domain" plentiful. Stuff like the wing airfoil templets are going to be most critical because even the plans sold by RAF had variations due to the printing process.

[Mike Switzer]

I sold my last set of LE planes in the early '90's and got $400 for them. I can't believe they could fetch that kind of price today. They are just too "public domain" plentiful.

I agree. I bought mine close to 10 years ago before the pdf copies were available.

Everything you need is available free from the links in the canardaviationforum link in post #4 above

[flyingriki]

More room, good speed, slightly more fuel burn: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220906119084

[N258DC]

Rutan Aircraft actually had supplemental plans too - and I took over their stock of paper and can supply the rest - Roncz Canard, Hidden bellcranks, rollover structure, long rudders, etc.

Get in touch - David at canardfinder@att.net

[Tom Downey]

Is there any place you can get a totally updated set of full sized paper plans? or are we forced to scrounge around and get a piece here and a piece there?

[flyingriki]

You'd do much better asking on and frequenting the canard forums. When plans pop up somewhere it usually gets noticed and mentioned. Plus you will meet many with experience and start to understand who can be helpful and who to avoid. There's a lot of good advice out there once you cull through some first time builders and wannabees that can be scary....

This is 258DC, the fellow that wrote you above, knows his stuff. Was suggested way back earlier in this thread.

[Tom Downey]

You'd do much better asking on and frequenting the canard forums.

I've read all the links posted, but it seems there is no real plans available. lots of CDs, lots of opinions, no real way to tell what you are buying.

[N258DC]

I can find original plans with original templates (14 of them); get in
touch if you are serious about building... I have all manner of Rutan Aircraft Factory supplemental stuff too.

David Orr - use Canardfinder@att.net

[Tom Downey]

I can find original plans with original templates (14 of them); get in
touch if you are serious about building... I have all manner of Rutan Aircraft Factory supplemental stuff too.

David Orr - use Canardfinder@att.net

I'm still trying to clear my plate and get the current projects completed. we will be investigating this EZ project farther as we get space. your E-Mail is in my rolodex and will contact you later.

[N258DC]

Why would anyone take second generation plans when originals are available?

Beagle