Unfinished Kitfox IV-1200

[WWhunter]

Sold!!!

Sold!!

[Stolch]

Hello,
Which version of the 912 is it and would you consider selling the engine separately?
Thanks
Jim
hazelgreenacres@att.net

[WWhunter]

Engine is a Rotax 912 80 HP. I have no desire to part out the plane. I realize I could probably make a bunch of money doing so but I would prefer to let someone either finish the plane or if they want to buy everything and part it out....that is up to them. Make me an offer on the entire thing and you can remove the engine and have a whole plane for spare parts. :)

[Kyle Boatright]

It might be a good idea to give your location. A great deal that's 50 miles away is a lot different than a great deal located a thousand miles away.

[WWhunter]

It might be a good idea to give your location. A great deal that's 50 miles away is a lot different than a great deal located a thousand miles away.

Kyle, you are 100% correct!! The plane is located at the airport in Park Rapids, MN . My apologies for not stating its location. Having been attached to the military for so many years, and moving so often, I felt that putting my location would have been signs for a scam since we were overseas many of those years. Both retired now and should be in Mn for the foreseeable future.

[CHICAGORANDY]

I am completely uneducated in the protocols, so forgive if this is a dumb question, but am I correct in guessing that lack of building logs could become a major issue getting the FAA to sign off on the plane?

[1600vw]

I am completely uneducated in the protocols, so forgive if this is a dumb question, but am I correct in guessing that lack of building logs could become a major issue getting the FAA to sign off on the plane?

That would depend if it ever received an airworthy certificate from the FAA. If it did then all hope may not be lost. But if not then there are many many hoops to jump through and then you may only get this registered as something like exhibit use or something like this. No expert here but believe this to be correct.

Tony

[DaleB]

There's a message thread over on VAF (http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=149863) about a similar issue. As I understand it you'd somehow need to document, either with build logs or statement(s) from previous owner(s) or their family/families, that the plane was amateur built. Without that you may have a difficult time getting an airworthiness certificate. And you'll need some documentation of the chain of ownership and transfers along the way to get it registered.

Certainly not a trivial issue, but the devil is in the details. Either the information can be had and it could be done, or it can't and you have an engine and a very pretty lawn ornament. Or somewhere in between.

[WWhunter]

I am by no way any expert in this either. I originally bought this for my son while he was deployed to Afghanistan. I have never built an AB aircraft but do own one. When I purchased this for him, I had contacted the EAA and posed the same question, since it didn't have build logs, and they relayed that since it has not yet been completed, it was still possible to finish and get the repairman's certificate. The man that was building the plane was deseased (motorcycle accident) and no build logs were available. I may have misunderstood, but after that, I purchased the unfinished plane. As DaleB states, not a trivial issue but it is doable but I wanted to inform any interested parties that there are no build logs.

[Kyle Boatright]

I am by no way any expert in this either. I originally bought this for my son while he was deployed to Afghanistan. I have never built an AB aircraft but do own one. When I purchased this for him, I had contacted the EAA and posed the same question, since it didn't have build logs, and they relayed that since it has not yet been completed, it was still possible to finish and get the repairman's certificate. The man that was building the plane was deseased (motorcycle accident) and no build logs were available. I may have misunderstood, but after that, I purchased the unfinished plane. As DaleB states, not a trivial issue but it is doable but I wanted to inform any interested parties that there are no build logs.

I would try and go back to who you bought the airplane from (the estate) and get a letter stating that "xxx", deceased, was building the airplane for education and recreation, and the build logs were lost at or around the time of death. That would greatly simplify things.

[martymayes]

I would try and go back to who you bought the airplane from (the estate) and get a letter stating that "xxx", deceased, was building the airplane for education and recreation, and the build logs were lost at or around the time of death. That would greatly simplify things.

Maybe.....without documentation, how would a DAR or FAA inspector know who built what? IOW's how would one prove major portion was done for education/recreation?

For example, a builder could buy plans and glue 2 sticks together, say he is building a plane for education/recreation and die the next day. Later, a third party shows up with complete plane ready for inspection with a letter from original builder's estate than says: "Uncle Joe was building this plane for education/recreation and the build logs were lost." Have no idea what happened in the interim.

The receipts and whatnot might make a better case.

[Kyle Boatright]

Maybe.....without documentation, how would a DAR or FAA inspector know who built what? IOW's how would one prove major portion was done for education/recreation?

For example, a builder could buy plans and glue 2 sticks together, say he is building a plane for education/recreation and die the next day. Later, a third party shows up with complete plane ready for inspection with a letter from original builder's estate than says: "Uncle Joe was building this plane for education/recreation and the build logs were lost." Have no idea what happened in the interim.

The receipts and whatnot might make a better case.

It all depends. Most of the DAR's I know are reasonable. Letters, receipts, pictures, etc. will satisfy most of them. If that is a concern, you interview DAR's, explain the situation, and try to find one you can work with under your circumstances. The standard isn't that high - look at all of the pro-built aircraft out there.

[bbutler455]

Does anyone know if this aircraft is still available? I am looking for a project. I sent a PM to the owner but haven't heard back. Brock

[WWhunter]

Kitfox IV has been SOLD!!! My apologies, I thought I had updated all the forums where I posted it. I just got the notification this morning in my email about your PM. It was only a couple of days ago. I don't check these forums daily.

I do have a Murphy Rebel Kit along with a kit for the Murphy 1800 amphibious floats. Also have a damaged Rebel that could be rebuild by a dedicated builder.