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ulno
12-12-2014, 08:13 AM
Back when I bought my Pterodactyl ultralight, there were no instructors or two place ultralights. Probably stupid, but I read about flying and then took off. Second scariest thing I ever did. Still have the Dac. Looking for a new engine for it. The Cuyuna's getting old.

FlyingRon
12-12-2014, 11:03 AM
Register where as an ultralight pilot?

ulno
12-12-2014, 04:00 PM
With the EAA under Ultralight interests. http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/aviation-communities-and-interests/ultralights-and-ultralight-aircraft/getting-started-in-ultralight-flying/ultralight-registration

Name and address of the instructor is required.

No slack for old farts.

1600vw
12-12-2014, 08:22 PM
With the EAA under Ultralight interests. http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/aviation-communities-and-interests/ultralights-and-ultralight-aircraft/getting-started-in-ultralight-flying/ultralight-registration

Name and address of the instructor is required.

No slack for old farts.

Very interesting.

rwanttaja
12-12-2014, 09:26 PM
With the EAA under Ultralight interests. http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/aviation-communities-and-interests/ultralights-and-ultralight-aircraft/getting-started-in-ultralight-flying/ultralight-registration

Name and address of the instructor is required.
From your original post, it sounds like you taught yourself to fly. I'd enter your own name with just the first initial as your first name (J. Smith), and your address. You *were* the instructor, after all....

Ron Wanttaja

slow biplane
12-14-2014, 05:43 PM
I don't see that being old is a factor. Would a new pilot be any better off? I have only flown powered ultralights for a few years, but I had no instructor. A "number" is required for the instructor (on the EAA form), but where would that come from, for powered ultralights? I'd like to register but I don't see how to get around that instructor number part.

Timm Bogenhagen
12-15-2014, 09:59 AM
The CFI name and number are required because the EAA ultralight pilot registration program requires 10 hours of flight instruction from a CFI, then passing written, oral and flight test. More information about ultralight pilot training can be found in the ultralight training guide. Here are links to these online guides:

Fixed wing, http://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/eaa/aviationinterests/ultralights/fixed_wing_training.pdf (http://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/eaa/aviationinterests/ultralights/fixed_wing_training.pdf)
Powered Parachute, http://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/eaa/aviationinterests/ultralights/parachute_training.pdf (http://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/eaa/aviationinterests/ultralights/parachute_training.pdf)
Weight-Shift trike, http://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/eaa/aviationinterests/ultralights/weight_shift.pdf (http://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/eaa/aviationinterests/ultralights/weight_shift.pdf)


Although no training is required by the FAA to fly an ultralight, the EAA encourages training and the pilot registration program is a way to recognize someone who has completed training.

Dana
12-15-2014, 08:36 PM
But just what does ultralight pilot registration get you? USUA, for example, requires instruction (or a FAA pilot certificate) to be eligible for their insurance program, but EAA has nothing of the sort, does it?

Timm Bogenhagen
12-16-2014, 08:32 AM
EAA offers no direct benefits for registering as a ultralight pilot. The simple and less restrictive rules for ultralights were allowed by the FAA on the assumption that individuals would self-regulate. When you participate in the registration program, you are helping to fulfill this commitment to self-regulation. The FAA said in the preamble to Part 103 that: “The FAA has chosen not to promulgate Federal regulations regarding pilot certification, vehicle certification, and vehicle registration,preferring that the ultralight community assume the initiative for the development of these important safety programs....it should be emphasized that the individual ultralight operator’s support and compliance with national self-regulation programs is essential to the FAA’s continued policy of allowing industry self regulation in these areas.”

slow biplane
12-16-2014, 10:23 AM
The CFI name and number are required because the EAA ultralight pilot registration program requires 10 hours of flight instruction from a CFI, then passing written, oral and flight test. More information about ultralight pilot training can be found in the ultralight training guide. Here are links to these online guides:

Fixed wing, http://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/eaa/aviationinterests/ultralights/fixed_wing_training.pdf (http://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/eaa/aviationinterests/ultralights/fixed_wing_training.pdf)
Powered Parachute, http://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/eaa/aviationinterests/ultralights/parachute_training.pdf (http://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/eaa/aviationinterests/ultralights/parachute_training.pdf)
Weight-Shift trike, http://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/eaa/aviationinterests/ultralights/weight_shift.pdf (http://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/eaa/aviationinterests/ultralights/weight_shift.pdf)


Although no training is required by the FAA to fly an ultralight, the EAA encourages training and the pilot registration program is a way to recognize someone who has completed training.

Thank you, I see that this is the EAA effort toward self regulation for fixed wing ultralights, which I accept as a contribution toward maintaining the priveleges of the current Part 103 system. However, it is unfortunate that this training program is blocking the registration of existing pilots. The registration program itself makes a contribution to self regulation by telling us how many pilots we are dealing with, but it won't be very good for that if pilots already flying, such as myself, are excluded. Perhaps there should be an allowance for experienced pilots to register without ten hours of instruction from a CFI.

ulno
12-20-2014, 10:43 AM
Thanks to everyone for their input. I realize now why I can't be a member of the Ultralight group. This is a good thing since I don't want to be a member of such a tight ass group.

jedi
12-29-2014, 07:00 PM
Thanks to everyone for their input. I realize now why I can't be a member of the Ultralight group. This is a good thing since I don't want to be a member of such a tight ass group.


If anyone would like to register as an UL pilot and needs a CFI or Ultralight Instructor signoff, etc. contact me for assistance. We can work out the details with a little effort and communication. CFIG1467368@yahoo.com.